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Re: James Arthur Ray propaganda 101, cheap courtroom theatrics
Posted by: buffman ()
Date: February 25, 2010 02:38PM

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The Anticult
The WORST are the ones like Byron Katie and others, where they actively take people with untreated serious trauma in their past, and they trigger and magnify their PTSD, and the person completely falls apart, gets all their money stripped from them, and then is kicked to the curb, usually literally. As in, when they start to flip-out and have a mental breakdown, they literally kick them out of the seminar into the street on the spot.
[Byron Katie (the Work) and PTSD suicide attempt rates] [forum.culteducation.com]
Traumatic PTSD is a suicide machine. If someone ever was able to get the names of seminar attendees, and count up the suicides, it would be carnage.
But the LGAT Guru just says they had nothing to do with it. The blame the victim.

Thank you for continuing to bring this up. This is one of the most important issues to me.

LGAT's trigger trauma in overly intense "healing" processes that often times hurt more than heal--and when they do heal, they often bond the individual to the organization as their savior. Legit, effective therapy doesn't bond the client to the therapist for life, nor kick out the client if they freak out in the course of therapy, nor upsell the client at their most vulnerable moment. Can you imagine a therapist pitching a client for a $10,000 course of therapy with a manipulative hard-sell right as the client is crying recalling a story of childhood abuse? LGAT's and their sociopathic leaders see dollar signs in people's suffering.



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Re: James Arthur Ray, Tony Robbins, suicide, bipolar
Posted by: buffman ()
Date: February 25, 2010 02:52PM

Also, Tony Robbins specifically works with people who are suicidal in his Unleash the Power Within seminar. He asks the audience "who here is suicidal?" I saw 7 or 10 hands go up at my UPW, out of about 2000 people. He only worked with one woman, and got her to link suicidal ideation with faking an orgasm. Supposedly this was a metaphor for how anyone can change their state "in an instant." But his intervention clearly wasn't working after about an hour and he began blaming this poor woman, telling her she needed to take more responsibility for her moods. I saw her later and she looked pretty unhappy still.

And what about the other 8-10 suicidal people? Were they approached and dealt with in a mature fashion, referred to competent therapists or suicide hotlines or invited to leave the workshop with a refund? I saw no evidence of this. Instead what followed was a 4 day mania fest. If those 7-10 suicidal folks weren't bipolar already, they had certainly had a manic episode by the end of the 4 days. How many of these folks (or any of the other 2000 attendees) committed suicide or experienced a psychotic break after this single workshop?

James Arthur Ray has largely copied and pasted techniques from Tony Robbins and others. The suicide and psychosis rates are totally unknown. The weakest of over-the-counter medicines are required by law to have a long list of known side-effects and their percentages. Why don't we have any idea the suicide and psychosis risks of LGATs?

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Re: James Arthur Ray propaganda 101, cheap courtroom theatrics
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 25, 2010 03:00PM

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[www.washingtonpost.com]

Sweat lodge guru attorneys argue against $5M bail

By FELICIA FONSECA
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
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"Earlier Wednesday, Ray's attorneys called their first of two witnesses - the financial controller for Ray's company, James Ray International ...
Alex Smyth testified ....and that Ray essentially drained his bank accounts...
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In closing statements, Hughes argued that $1 million that Ray set aside for legal fees, another $1 million that was unaccounted for, and his estimated net worth of $2.4 million certainly doesn't mean Ray is struggling to the extent his attorneys contend.

...Ray appeared in court in a suit and appeared to listen intently to the arguments, even looking at representatives for victims as they spoke following testimony. At one point, he winked at his girlfriend sitting in the row behind him and held his hand in a fist over his heart. ...
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Re: James Arthur Ray propaganda 101, cheap courtroom theatrics
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 25, 2010 03:19PM

This is exactly how they play it.
And even their BS lowball says James Ray made $7 million over the past few years...that's since Oprah.
Of course the number would be WAY higher, as many of these Guru's have all sorts of companies and income streams going on at once, many not in their direct name.
Also, they have mastered ways to get massive cash donations/gifts from their followers.

Then they burn through those millions, run corps into the ground, drain it out the backdoor, try to conceal them, and claim an income under 100K a year, or sometimes even less, for tax reasons.

They are even claiming James Ray's mom and pop are going to have to hawk everything they own.
This is propaganda to emotionally manipulate the James Ray inner circle followers.
The remaining inner circle followers of James Ray are going to pay a terrible financial price and will be bilked dry, if they don't come out of their trance immediately.

Keith Raniere of NXIVM was able to extract 100 million. [forum.culteducation.com]


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(Alex) "Smyth says that Ray has pulled in about $7 million over the past few years, ... Ray has only netted a few hundred thousand dollars."
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Re: James Arthur Ray propaganda 101, cheap courtroom theatrics
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 25, 2010 03:51PM

More psychic predictions realized!

There it is, 10 million in 2008, and that is a minimal lowball.
And JRI pays James Ray expenses, as predicted.

But to who does JRI owe "$5.3 million in liabilities"?
It could be to other companies that may be controlled by James Ray indirectly, for example.

Where is the money going? asks the auditor.

Hopefully they will open up the washing machine, and take a look


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James Ray assets debated during hearing
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Echols, questioned by Deputy County Attorney Bill Hughes, told the court that Ray's net worth statement is not accurate. He said that while James Ray may hold interest in James Ray Intl., Institute for Global Harmony and Integration Inc., White Wolf Intl., and Quantum Shift, the assets and liabilities of those corporations are not his personally.

James Ray Intl. profit and loss statement shows $929,000 in assets, but $5.3 million in liabilities.

Ray is associated with six properties in Hawaii, L.A. and Las Vegas. Quantum Shift was formed to purchase a Beverly Hill property at $4 million; $1 million was put down on the property and $300,000 has been spent to improve it.

The White Wolf entity holds proceeds from book, tape and seminar revenues. Proceeds from that account had been removed, said Echols. He reported that it had $1.1 million in gross revenue, but "nothing shows where the money went."

Echols complained that in some cases only the first page of a tax return had been submitted, in one case two pages and one case four pages. At least one return should have had 50 pages, which would have told more of the story. "Interest income could lead to undisclosed assets."

The federal examiner said that JRI and White Wolf combined took in $10 million in 2008, so August and September should have averaged $800,000 each month, but only $148,000 was reported for the last four months. "Where is the money going? I couldn't find it in JRI."

Echols wondered about $508,000 that was transferred out of the several Morgan Stanley accounts.

Bill Hughes speculated that some of that money may have been transferred to attorneys. But Ray Attorney Luis Li protested the release of those details.

After additions and subtractions, Echols said his figures show Ray's net worth is actually $2.4 million plus a Mercedes, Dodge Tahoe, Range Rover and 911 Porsche, jewelry and the expenses JRI pays for Ray.

His adjusted gross income for 2008 is $4,961,104.
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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 25, 2010 05:41PM

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Christa
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There was a post on the Droid site by someone claiming to know the Ray family as teenagers.

Link?

cat strangling James

The link takes you to the top of the page, the relevant comment is about #24 in the list of comments and quotes a named poster on facebook.



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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 25, 2010 05:51PM

Whilst I think that the financial shenanigans are extremely important to uncover and inspect, I find that often when the focus moves to money, the 'cost of doing business' in damage and loss to human life is often overlooked.

So thanks Buffman and Anticult for the above points re this completely accepted 'cost of doing business' to these unscrupulous money-grubbers.



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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 26, 2010 04:29AM

The financial documents that were submitted in evidence in the bail hearing remain under seal:

Seal order

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: JimmyProfit ()
Date: February 26, 2010 07:57AM

Ray's bail just dropped to $525,000. Check out his manic courtroom pose at AJC

http://bit.ly/9dUmUs

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 26, 2010 07:57AM

Bail set at $525.000:

bail doc

Courtesy of the salty droid, for those who finds these court docs difficult to decipher, a pdf:

Bailing-Out-a-Bastard.pdf

So I guess he will be on the street again shortly, or is he really that broke?

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