As far as I can tell all of the individuals central in SoI are older, around mid-50s with the minor exception of a few of the golden oldies kids such as Michael Harvey running Noni (son of Linda Harvey, board member of SIF and operator/owner of the Sacrememnto Meditation Centre). Considering though that the older generation has deprived their children of an education and life experience how a
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BTW over 1000 unique views a month, two newspaper articles in the past two months, employees lost to SoI and Noni has changed their name because of the people zelig and co chased away - let what they have done speak for itself.
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Josh Harvey (Carmichael) paid $4000 to Gabbard's campaign Josh "Oh My Gosh" www.ohmygoshjosh.com This is another hindu religious cult business in California. Related to Linda (Uddhava dasi) Harvey and Michael (Gopal das) Harvey (Healing Noni company) It also sells Devin (Dharma das) Bull and Kunti dasi Bull's Twisterz on his site. Ellen C Abrams contributed $
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That last amount should have been $5450. Of course Carol and Mike Gabbard contributed a total of $4374 And their daughter Tulsi Tamayo Gabbard gave $2250 and there is a bit of a story behind that since she is supposedly a democrat which is how most of the Butler politicians start out only to republicize later. Eduardo Tamayo Tulsi's husband gave $2000 Michael Harvey, son of disci
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Yes Googling "Zelig" is a traitor by pretending to be Cara's ally while at the same time going to great lengths to undermine her presence on this forum. Therefore: we can't all get along. www.nonialoha.com The Noni Connection business in Hawaii. Members of Science of Identity also own Noni farms, Heaing Noni and Heaven's Noni which is also sold at Down to Earth Na
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Richard Lowther of Butler's home town Kailua, Oahu and Honlulu. Rama Doyle the boxer (of Rama's Massage Oahu) 2000 boxing tournament, 81kg, Red corner, Helensvale on the Gold Coast. Andre Kalata (oahu - Noni Kahuna registration) "Devin Bull, holding his son Graham, and Andre Kalata were among Healthy Hawaii Coalition signholders yesterday who felt the state was no
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Richard Lowther of Island Shots production company: www.islandshots.com Island Shots mentions all the following companies which shows they are all linked back to Chris Butler. Quite probably other companies mentioned on the site are Science of Identity linked. Lowther contributed $4000 to Mike Gabbard's (long-time disciple of Butler) campaign and designed the logo for Healty Hawai
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Nevermind cult - certain individuals wil arrive to slow down the progress on exposing Science of Identity. Rather than defeat your argument creating irrelevant discussion is easier. The time frame is interesting though approximately three days is common for suspicious characters to respond. The amount of man hours that are taken up attempting to hide the information is unbelievable considering
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Healing Noni changed their name to Heaven's Noni Allan Yoza (Shankar) and Michael Harvey (gopal?) -------------------------------- In march this year Heaven's Noni was registered in Utah. www.heavensnoni.com -------------------------------- Healing Noni is registered to Michael Harvey www.healingnoni.com ...and so is the tradmark. Not very subtl
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QuoteGARDENING,RV,RIVER,LANDSCAPING,PONDS,FALL,GOAT,ACRE,FAL L,DAIRY,ORGANIC THE MEDITATION RETREAT CENTER in Sacramento is five minutes from the American River and trails. It has two wooded acres of organic vegetable gardens, waterfalls and koi ponds, Gardening, landscaping, maintenance, dairy goat care, cheese and soap making, yoga and meditation programs, t’ai chi and chi kung classes. Peop
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hi, I'm new to this site. Only discovered it after having a weird "free meditation" class in Hilo. Weird in that it was not relaxing, immediately seemed like indoctrination, and the teacher used analogies that seemed violent or off color and divisive in regards to religious backgrounds. A little investigation led me here. Very interesting. I applaud the ex-members who got out and w
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real-materialistic-estate :lol: The children are our future politics - here's one I haven't seen before yesterday www.healthyhawaiicoalition.com (our friend Krishna Kartha at it again!) and the noni farm recruitment as well. New-Age Scientology, Organic Scientology, No Frills Scientology (can't afford thousands of dollars? well can I sugguest our Hawaii package :lol: ) - L
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Found an interesting article on Allan Yoza relating to Mike Gabbard campaign contributions. Quote"I didn't know about Bhakti Yoga or Hare Krishna before I came," wrote one Dharma Farms work exchange participant, at a Web site for organic farming volunteers. "I don't know what I was thinking but it's not what I got.... Be prepared for being immersed in chanting
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Quotefreeatlast!Cultreporter what would you like to know? I have information on pretty much all the desciples in the sacramento area and lived at the med center for like 6 months, usually there was a gathering everynight at a different desciples house, not usually advertised but always open to the public. As much as you would like to tell me - any names, places, addresses, anything that you fe
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Freeatlast, Were you exploited at noni farm? What do you know about Chris Butler and politics in Hawaii.
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I just left the noni farm on the bigI after 2 years of involvement with this group, these people are evil, I've never felt more unspiritual than when I was trying to be a fallower of cris butler, I'm SOOO happy to finally be away from all the guilt trips and germaphobes, Its like a breath of fresh air! I've read all 66 pages of this forum and was totally FREAKED OUT about the thing
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Zelig - thanks for these links! I have actually just been revising the business info on the site this morning. I knew some devotees on the Gold Coast were Noni distributors, although there are a few Noni companies around and I was uncertain of the precise name of the one linked to SOI - I think it is Healing Noni :?: For sure I will add the facts available. I do consider myself to be very luc
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This site leads you to the Noni "indoctrination" farm where you get to work for free and learn mantra meditation from and old Sai follower. Don't know if it is still an active exchange program for youths who want to learn organic gardening. Just another cult front --- FYI.
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QuotecultreporterThanks guys... When I first got out of the cult I did consider the fact that I was just crazy or perhaps too demonic to understand what had happened there, so talking about it and knowing that others had same/similar experiences has certainly helped me a lot to begin getting on with my life. If I could help anyone else in the same way I would be very happy with that. TheTru
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Quotedevadasi When making money and politics become the priority, something has gone afoul. THIS REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE THE CASE. From what I gleaned over the internet, many individuals donated money (LOTS of money*) to Mike G's political campaign last year. And considering that Mike did not win the election, one can only assume that all that money, work, time, and energy
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Quoteregina".... at Dharma Farms. The people at the house are so into it, almost to the point where they cannot mesh with the "real world" anymore and they have no desire to do so. Two of the youngest people (25 and 31) who are here seem the most devoted and I found out that neither one of them has a close relationship with their families and they don't have any other ties out
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:wink: Thanks, Regina, for posting the link to Mindy's Journal. At last we hear about what is happening on the Big Island! A very well written and description of life on the Noni Farm!... Thanks!
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That's it. Thanks, Regina, for the link. It's nice to have a first hand description of life on the Noni Farm. More on the Noni Farm, and Gabbard, here:
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Quotejust-googlingI am not much of a political man, but maybe guru is pro Iraq war so that America can get the crude, to make the gasoline, to drive the tractor, to grow the soybean, to make the tofu, to propel aircraft to transport the tofu from Idaho to Honolulu, to propel the motor vehicle to transport said tofu to guru's mansion, so guru can eat tofu (all in Krishna's service, of co
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If you read about the Noni Farm in Hawaii, run by a devotee of Chris Butler, (who is also heavy into Real Estate) you may find a connection. Also, woofhawaii, which connects organic gardeners with farms to work on, has reports from people who have gone to the farm to work and have been alarmed at goings-on there. Obvious recruiting and zealous fanaticism. If you read the woof sites where people w
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Check out Hawaii Dept. of Commerce and Consumer Affairs and you will discover some mighty materialistic ventures run by this group under the name "Down to Earth". A rather humble sounding name, no? How about real estate, video production, construction, clothing businesses, imports, Noni juice, healthy food stores and more. Hypocrisy. For implementing schizophrenia in children try preac
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