RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The closest thing in Butler's cult to a "woman > guru" was Katyayani. As soon as she took on > followers, she was rejected by Butler, et al. What was the narrative behind this? Women can't teach? Only one guru is bona-fide, and that is Chris Butler? > Wailana, AKA Vaishnava Da
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60 years later the Hare Krishna's make a bold move: The closest thing in Butler's cult to a "woman guru" was Katyayani. As soon as she took on followers, she was rejected by Butler, et al. Wailana, AKA Vaishnava Dasi, Butler's wife (ex-wife? or simply a woman he houses for free on the dime of his disciples down the street?), has somewhat of a following, though o
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Truth Wins, I have written about the spiritual addiction component in these groups many times. I am aware of the "bliss" affect the average person seeks or even experiences for some time. It may even be a lifetime for that matter. But rarely. Eventually what it transforms into is a hardened ego related to the time investment. It is basically hard if not impossible to admit that we ha
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Another exposé on the Cult of Butler and the Manchurian Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard. Quote: "Marketed as “the first Hindu in Congress,” Gabbard, her family, her in-laws and political milieu are deeply connected to an offshoot of the Hare Krishna sect in Hawaii led by Chris Butler aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa: Gabbard’s Washington-based chief of staff, Kainoa Penaroza,
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Here is an old post from 12 years ago documenting Chris Butler's homophobia. (small quote) QuoteI wasn't surprised by the hate speech by Guruda towards gays and lesbians. Chris Butler's group is famous in Hawaii for being the most vocal anti gay activists on the islands. I remember the public anti gay campaigns by Mike Gabbard and his wife (the guy and girl running for of
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Posted by: Vera City () Date: April 24, 2010 09:25AM THIS POST FROM VERA CITY DOES DESCRIBE ACCURATELY THE CHRIS BUTLER CULT FROM A to Z ....It does feature all the facets of this destructive Cult. The Science of Identity Foundation, founded in Hawaii in 1977, is centre to a network of business, political and spiritual enterprises operating throughout the world under the direction of C
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Jaya Jaya........wait !!! wtf? Another Butler cult member shot & arrested by police- arrested for attempted murder. Jaya Titcomb, son of James Titcomb (The Puna Noni people)long time cult member of Butler. Jaya- another ex-student of the Science of Identity cult school in the Philippines (Baguio School). Jaya- another casualty of the Science of Identity Cult - home of Tulsi Gabbar
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Two part article about the ethical dilemma of Tulsi Gabbard. Civil Beat recently reported on Tulsi Gabbard’s association with the cult of Chris Butler, but they played it safe by referring to rumors of those ties (Krishna Cult Rumors Still Dog Tulsi Gabbard). (read the comment of Bart Dame at the bottom of this article for his reaction to the rumors). The rumors are in fact true and I recentl
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Yes, Flash! - those grey sweats--goes great with the paper bags--only thing missing are the black and white Nike “Decades" athletic shoes and the bunk beds. And instead of Kool-Aid- its "Noni Juice", with a dash of toe nails! Are we awake yet?
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The Noni Salesman Goes to Washington You might recall this TV News Story: Tulsi Gabbard hires chief of staff with no government or Congressional experience: I’ve been told that devotees of Chris Butler trust NO ONE outside of the cult. So, rather than selecting a qualified chief of staff whom she could never trust, Tulsi chose an incompetent but loyal fellow-devotee of Butler. I wonder if
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Update to my earlier post and link to the Blog: Text from the chart for ease of quoting and for search engine indexing: Science Of Identity (SIF) GURU Chris BUTLER USA 501 (c) TAX EXEMPT Foundation aka SiddhaSwarupananda Paramahansa 1982 Cheung Wai Lana Bellord divorces Richard Valentine Windham-BELLORD Guru marries disciple Cheung Wai Lan BELLORD 1982-3 aka Vaisnava Dasi BU
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Verity-101 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have been sitting on the sidelines for too long. > I would like to help with letting the truth be > known. > > I remember seeing this pic from the first > Ponomoloa school. Notice (Krsna Katha das and... Welcome to the forum, Verity. Your attachment of the group photo did not work so here i
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I have been sitting on the sidelines for too long. I would like to help with letting the truth be known. I remember seeing this pic from the first Ponomoloa school. Notice (Krsna Katha das and Devahuti das who were Siddha's first disciples in background) Other disciples teachers were ? priya dasi (used to be married to Siva das) and the other male disciple, forgot his name but he was mar
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Tulsi's new hire -- earlier citations on this thread Eyebrow Raiser: Tulsi Gabbard’s New Chief of Staff Baffles Political Insiders Kainoa Penaroza is a health-food sales manager with little political experience and no apparent background in Washington, D.C. But the high-profile congresswoman has tapped him to be her top political adviser. February 24, 2015·By Rui Kaneya
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The story of Tulsi's upbringing will soon become a subject for national and international journalists. They will be coming to this website, looking for information. She had hoped her "limited hangout" revelation of being a "Hindu" would provide enough of an explanation for her "exotic beliefs" to protect her secrets. But her bold move in firing her congressio
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Another vignette of BUtler in Australia in the early days. Page 9 (Quote)Hare Krishna Posted by: cultreporter () Date: October 29, 2006 04:42AM Zelig - thanks for these links! I have actually just been revising the business info on the site this morning. I knew some devotees on the Gold Coast were Noni distributors, although there are a few Noni companies around and I was uncertai
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THE PENULTIMATE SUMMARY OF THE BUTLER CULT The Science of Identity Foundation, founded in Hawaii in 1977, is centre to a network of business, political and spiritual enterprises operating throughout the world under the direction of Chris Butler (Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa). The 'science of identity' is also the title given to a distinct doctrine, as defined by Chris
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Quote Next Post » 19 Responses to ZNZ Pros and Cons Is it real or another scam? deathmeditation May 20, 2012 | 8:49 am TAKEN FROM THE BOOK” BARBARA memoir of a love affair” byDR WILLIS BUTLER …the father of CHRIS BUTLER . When the mother of Chris Butler pass away Dr Will Butler invited is son Chris over the phone to a memorial in honor of his mother but the
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Dharma Farms -- a journal entry from someone who was there Quote08.18.04 First impression after my first night in Hawaii: What the hell was I thinking, and how did I ever think that this was a good idea. Second thought: I knew this would be hard (especially in the beginning), I wanted to throw myself right into it to get started, and I need to give it some more time to let myself get
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I saved some posts. Here is one of the better ones that was reposted recently. QuoteVoxVeritasVita DasDabcult, please repost the following excerpt in the comment section under the Tulsi article you mention. Its the best explanation yet on who Bulter is and Tulsi and her family's connection to the cult. This is what the voters should have been made aware of. There is no question that Tu
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here is a great link to more butler info ... this guy has done his work Features of a Destructive Cult The Science of Identity Foundation, founded in Hawaii in 1977, is centre to a network of business, political and spiritual enterprises operating throughout the world under the direction of Chris Butler (Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa). The 'science of identity' i
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This message board is searchable. One can go to the upper right corner of the window. Find the search button. Select whatever word or term you are interested in and always select the "all dates" slot. Only by selecting "all dates" will your search cover the entire life of this message board and years long discussions such as this one. As you read through varous p
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Quoteflashlight_on_roachesQuoteIamtheAntiChrisQuotedabcultAND VERA ........ AS A FAR AS THE GLAZE EYES ...........5 TO 6 HOURS SLEEP ONLY ........FOR YEARS ON END ......AND 12 HOURS A DAY OF SERVICE MOSTLY IN THE STREETS BEGGING ..........THAT ALONE AS A GLAZING EFFECT ....AND CHANTING MILLIONS OF TIMES OVER AND OVER 3 WORDS .....HARE KRISHNA RAMA............I MUST HAVE BEEN IN A DEEP TRANCE
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To add to your Noni info, Vita C… Noni Connection: This business is not in good standing. Contact Information Principal: Nakula Tibby (Accounts Manager) Mr. James Titcomb (President) Ms. Teresa (Terry) Titcomb (Vice President) Ms. Chandra Titcomb Thanks again, Vera, for finding proof that Chris Butler arranged for William and Barbara Penaroza to be initiated as Hare Krishnas. Here is the
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Quoteflashlight_on_roaches Are you referring to Alana Penaroza? She would be Bill's daughter-in-law married to his son Rama who works for Noni Connection. Or are there other Penaroza's on the Tulsi Gabbard payroll? Looks like the Noni business isnt doing so well these days. Seems they havent done their annual filing with the State of Hawaii. Yet, somehow, their workers were able to ma
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Are you referring to Alana Penaroza? She would be Bill's daughter-in-law married to his son Rama who works for Noni Connection. Or are there other Penaroza's on the Tulsi Gabbard payroll? correction: daughter in law
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QuoteVera CityQuoteprivateyeThis may be of help. Thanks for the link. What follows is a response to the letter Butler sent about getting some of his followers initiated. Bill and Barbara Penaroza. (the letter misspells their name). Butler was acting like a normal sanyassi or temple president or senior disciple who vets seekers on the path. He rarely recommended initiation. This couple
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The “SS Chris Butler” has so many leaks it is in danger of sinking. I guess those who swore a lifetime of devotion to Jagad Guru – well, not so much. Maybe it was a “pinky swear”. It doesn’t help that Tulsi Gabbard is shooting holes in his boat while she attempts to reinvent herself as a quasi-Hindu, quasi-Christian. Surely, some of Butler’s followers must interpret this as open season to take th
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I keep reminding myself that all the devotees of Chris Butler are victims who deserve the chance to discover their exploitation and then hopefully do something better with their life. Joseph Bismark is the chief offshore guy for Butler and launders the money coming in from Down to Earth (he runs the parent company). He’s the owner of record of Butler’s principle Lanikai residence and also a 6-
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Dabcult, please repost the following excerpt in the comment section under the Tulsi article you mention. Its the best explanation yet on who Bulter is and Tulsi and her family's connection to the cult. This is what the voters should have been made aware of. There is no question that Tulsi is indeed a cult member and that she will obey to the letter whatever Bulter commands. This was posted
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