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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: sushigrl ()
Date: December 20, 2009 07:32AM

Steve Hassan may be a bit extreme, but I find this quote interesting:

Theory of mind control

Steve Hassan wrote:[www.freedomofmind.com]

My mind control model outlines many key elements that need to be controlled: Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions (BITE). If these four components can be controlled, then an individual's identity can be systematically manipulated and changed. Destructive mind control takes the "locus of control" away from an individual. The person is systematically deceived about the beliefs and practices of the person (or group) and manipulated throughout the recruitment process- unable to make informed choices and exert independent judgment. The person's identity is profoundly influenced through a set of social influence techniques and a "new identity" is created- programmed to be dependent on the leader or group ideology. The person can't think for him or herself, but believes otherwise. [1]

We were deceived in SGI that this was a practice of Buddhism...no it wasn't. It was a practice of "actual proof" of some skewed concept of "kosen rufu" or world peace, led by someone who is about as easy to get to know as God in heaven,. Mr Ikeda. The Goals of SGI are not clear and certainly not attainable by the average person even if they live breathe and eat meetings. It's fuzzy buddhism and non existent logic at work. Creepy.

and this from another Japanese website:

In short, the Soka Gakkai's ambitions are to attempt to completely rule japan in a multifaced way.

That is,

1. Spritually : Make all the Japanese belong to Soka Gakkai.

2. Politically : Have the Komei Party take the rein of the Japanese government.

3. Economically : Have business enterprises affiliated with Soka Gakkai control Japanese financial circles.

4. Have Soka Gakkai members slip into key positions of Japanese society, including administrative organs, the Ministry of Justice, the media, educational organizations, cultural organizations, etc., then take control of Japan.

5. Then finally, Daisaku Ikeda will become a man of absolute power to rule Japan.

[www.toride.org]


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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: Nichijew ()
Date: December 20, 2009 09:56AM

The SGI teaching on attachments

SGI member: You can chant for anything you like, the purpose of chanting is to fullfill your every desire.

Shakabuku: Really? I always wanted a Cadillac Sevlle and a pretty girlfriend.

SGI member: You can chant for ANYTHING you want. The purpose of chanting is to accumulate actual proof in your life so you can demonstrate the benefits of chanting to your family and friends and create world peace.

Shakabuku: That sounds great, I think I will give it a try.

Two years later, the shakabuku has just totaled his shiny new Cadillac and his girlfriend ran away with the district chief. He is devastated and he quits chanting.

This scenario is common among the members of the SGI and is one of the reasons that of the more than 500,000 people in the US who came to SGI "Buddhism" in the 60's, 70's and 80's, less than 35,000 have persevered in their practice.

Lets take the SGI teachings literally:

You chant to fulfill your desires. Your desires are fulfilled. By fulfiilling your desires you attain Enlightenment.

What is permanent in this world, a car, a girlfriend, a house, good health, good friends? Nothing. There is nothing that is permanent. Everything and everybody is as ephemeral as the dew on the grass. Nevertheless, the SGI says chant for this and chant for that, attain this desire and attain that desire, and this is the purpose of Buddhism.

An SGI member concisely summed up the SGI teachings:

"Actual attachments are the source of enlightenment. Don't confuse Mahayana with Hinayana Buddhism. We all have desires and it is within the scope of Buddhism to fulfill them in order to deepen our faith in the effectiveness of this practice."

According to Buddhism, attachments lead to suffering. If we attach ourselves to a Cadillac, and the Cadillac is wrecked, we are miserable. Even if we attach ourselves to our wife and children, in the end we must depart from them anyway. The Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin teach that attachments are temporary phenomena and temporary phenomena can never lead to Enlightenment which is characterized by joy, true self, eternity and joy. Temporary phenomena are insubstantial. How can we arrive at a substantial state of life by attaching ourselves to that which is insubstantial?

An Enlightened being clearly perceives the impermanence of all phenomena and no other perception characterizing the Enlightened state invalidates the truth of temporary existence. Even the truth of the Middle Way does not invalidate the truth of temporary existence. It is absolutely useless to rely on attachments (impermanence) to arrive at the sublime life state of Enlightenment. The Daishonin states:

"It is said in the Nirvana Sutra:' Before listening to the Lotus Sutra we had all been of evil views.' Grand Master Miao-le explains this in his Fa-hua hsuan-i shih-chi'en; ' The Buddha himself called his pre-Lotus Three Teachings (zokyo, tsugyo and bekkyo) evil. ' Tientai citing the words of the Nirvana Sutra just mentioned, says in his Mo-ho Chih-kuan (Great Concentration and Insight): They called themselves evil. Isn't "evil" bad? ' Miao-le explains this in his commentary on the Mo-ho Chih-kuan:

'Evil means "wicked." Therefore we must know that only the engyo (perfect teaching) among the Four Teachings is correct. But it has two meanings. First, it means that following the "perfect teaching" (engyo) while rejecting the
remaining three is correct, and rejecting the "perfect teaching" while following the three is erroneous. THIS IS A RELATIVE POINT OF VIEW (caps me).

Secondly it means that attachment to the "perfect teaching" is considered erroneous while detachment from it is correct. This is an absolute point of view in which there is no difference in the eyes of the Buddha between the "perfect teaching" and the remaining three of the so-called Four Teachings. Either way, we have to stay away from error. It is bad to attach ourselves to the "perfect teaching," how much worse it is to attach ourselves to the Three Teachings!" (The Opening of the Eyes).

What is it that the Daishonin means, in practical terms? He means that if we attach ourselves to some desire, any desire, one can not attain the sublime life state of Buddha. Let me give you a few examples, albeit extreme examples that illustrate the error of the SGI teaching on attachments, especially if taken to their logical conclusion:

One man is attached to eating. He chants to be able to eat the most sumptuous food, whenever he wishes in order to prove the validity of the practice. The person will surely realize this desire, according to the SGI. He eats until he is 600 lbs. He develops diabetes, hypertension and heart disease. The practice is proven according to the SGI, the person attaches himself to his desire to eat and through chanting and realizing his desire, he thus attains Enlightenment.

What really happens is that, instead of leading to Enlightenment, attaching himself to his desire, he gets sick and becomes a poor example of a Buddhist.

Another person loves to chant the Daimoku. He attaches himself to chanting the Daimoku in order to attain Enlightenment. He determines to chant the Daimoku continuously and realizes his desire by chanting ten or more hours a day. Once again, according to the SGI, he proves the validity of the practice.

The reality is that he disproves the practice despite realizing his desire. He skips meals, fails to talk with the wife, and begins missing work. He gets divorced and is laid off from work.

By forming attachments, according to the SGI, one obtains enlightenment but, as we see, the actual reality is that attachment leads to misery. The Lotus Sutra, the Buddhas throughout the Three Existences, and Nichiren Daishonin teach that attachments lead to suffering but why then, does the SGI teach otherwise? There are several reasons: They misunderstand Buddhism; they emphasize quantity rather than quality; they have huge egos and think themselves wiser than Buddha Shakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin; and their leaders are deluded.

In the end, not one person has ever attained Buddhahood through the SGI teachings.

Nichijew



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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: sushigrl ()
Date: December 20, 2009 12:41PM

Yeah that concept "earthly desires equal enlightenment" was spewed a lot to get people to join. Earthly desires were supposed to be a means of getting us to chant, and in that way they would lead us to "enlightenment". The problem was when the earthly desires were not fulfilled we were told that there was something wrong with us! Or we were told that our earthly desires would change to a desire for more lofty things as time went by. More lofty things like donating more time and money to SGI, doing more shakubuku. We would lose our earthly desires and do nothing but propagate SGI.

Anyone can sit down and make a list of goals, and with effort achieve them, even without chanting for them. This is something that the average member would never take into consideration. No! you have to chant for the wisdom to make things happen!! If that were the truth, we would still be in the stone age.

To me, the fact that people would chant for destructive things as well as constructive only cheapened the practice. Chanting for someone's demise such as Nikken was explained as leading to enlightenment by defeating a devil.

Sounds too much like a tent revival. Maybe SGI is just one big tent revival for it's brand of Buddhism, or for Prez Ikea.

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Re: Former SGI members, SkepDic New Thought
Posted by: SeekingTheTruth ()
Date: December 20, 2009 01:20PM

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The Anticult
That part of chanting to change anything, is exactly the same idea as New Thought, with the same pitfalls. Of course, they have changed the words, but its really the same thing...

... is the same as The Secret. No wonder so many people get into it, that stuff is very popular these days.

So even if a person gives up SGI, they don't have to give up THAT part of it. They could still make a Goal list, and "chant" for it. ...



Check out the books Creative Visualization by Shakti Gawain (30th printing edition, printed on March 13, 1997) and It Works: The Famous Little Red Book That Makes Your Dreams Come True! (copyright: 1926, 1953).

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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: sushigrl ()
Date: December 20, 2009 01:34PM

This is kind of long...but is a real eye opener. Take a Look See [www.sgi-usa.org]

CHAPTER 11: Involuntary Termination of Membership
Article 71
Involuntary Termination- a member may be involuntarily terminated from SGI-USA membership due to serious misconduct, as outlined in this section. Note: if the member in question is a current or former leader in the organization, then the above steps are superseded by the procedure found in the SGI-USA Leadership Manual, which outlines procedures for dealing with leader misconduct.
Article 72
SGI-USA exists to enable all members to correctly learn and practice Nichiren Buddhism and apply it in their daily lives for spiritual growth and fulfillment.(and to make lots of money)
Article 73
Conduct which violates this pure intent may result in disciplinary action up to and including involuntary termination of membership. Specific examples of conduct subject to discipline include, but are not limited to:

1. Taking advantage of other members for a financial purpose;(zaimu )

2. Conduct intended to either 1) damage the reputation of SGI-USA or 2) harm or undermine the interests of SGI-USA; (asking questions maybe?)

3. Conduct which is disruptive to the harmonious unity of SGI-USA, including spreading false or disparaging information about the organization, its leaders or members, and/or failing to correct misunderstanding among the membership caused by him or her; (asking questions maybe? trying to have a sincere dialogue maybe?)

4. Conduct which negatively impacts the faith of members; (asking questions maybe?)

5. Physical or verbal abuse and/or harassment; and

6. Conduct of a sexual nature without consent.

Article 74
The purpose of disciplinary proceedings is to encourage sincere self-reflection (HA!) on the part of the member in question and to preserve the sincere faith of members and the harmonious unity of SGI-USA. (NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!)
Article 75
In the event disciplinary actions are considered or requested, the local Area Personnel Committee will be responsible for addressing the misconduct, including:

1. Investigate matters related to the conduct in question, including interviewing (interrogating) the member under investigation as well as other affected individuals;

gathering supporting documentation (hmm maybe lipstick cameras); and evaluating the situation overall. During the investigation, the Area Personnel Committee may instruct the member to refrain from participating in organizational activities until the investigation is complete; ( if that's not shunning, what is?)

2. Submit a written report of the results and conclusion of its investigation, including its decision as to what action should be taken, to the Region Personnel Committee; and

3. In addition to considering involuntary termination, the Region Personnel Committee has the discretion to consider lesser measures, such as official reprimand (you stupid member you!!! *slap*!), exclusion from specific SGI-USA activities (yay no more toban), or suspension of membership for a period of less than one year.

Article 76
The Area Personnel Committee may stop the investigation at any stage of the proceedings and immediately recommend disciplinary action if, in its judgment, the member in question is evasive, combative, uncooperative, or continuing to engage in inappropriate conduct. (such as asking questions)
Article 77
A member has the right to submit a written request for an appeal of the Region Personnel Committee's decision to the Zone Personnel Committee.

Article 78
Unless the Zone Personnel Committee determines that further investigation or consideration is warranted, the decision shall be final.

Article 79
Notice of disciplinary action shall be communicated to the affected organizational leaders and members as appropriate. (She's asking too many questions!! Shun her!!) (they did that anyway)
Article 80
No termination of membership, for any reason, shall confer the right to demand the return or refund of any property, real or personal, cash or in-kind, previously donated to SGI-USA. (can't I have my shoes back?)
Article 81
Any member whose membership has been involuntarily terminated shall have his or her name removed from SGI-USA membership lists (yay!) and is excluded from any and all activities of SGI-USA, wherever conducted. (HA!)

BTW, is there a warranty on the Gohonzon? I think mine is defective :)



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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: Nichijew ()
Date: December 20, 2009 02:13PM

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sushigrl
Yeah that concept "earthly desires equal enlightenment" was spewed a lot to get people to join. Earthly desires were supposed to be a means of getting us to chant, and in that way they would lead us to "enlightenment". The problem was when the earthly desires were not fulfilled we were told that there was something wrong with us! Or we were told that our earthly desires would change to a desire for more lofty things as time went by. More lofty things like donating more time and money to SGI, doing more shakubuku. We would lose our earthly desires and do nothing but propagate SGI.

Anyone can sit down and make a list of goals, and with effort achieve them, even without chanting for them. This is something that the average member would never take into consideration. No! you have to chant for the wisdom to make things happen!! If that were the truth, we would still be in the stone age.

To me, the fact that people would chant for destructive things as well as constructive only cheapened the practice. Chanting for someone's demise such as Nikken was explained as leading to enlightenment by defeating a devil.

Sounds too much like a tent revival. Maybe SGI is just one big tent revival for it's brand of Buddhism, or for Prez Ikea.

Dear Sushigirl;

A better translation of Bonno is afflictions and Soku was translated in three ways by Tientai, according to Robin Beck:

"The first is the non-separateness in the unity of two things; two things being a unit.

The second is called or the 'relationship between front and back by turningover.' This refers to something like a coin, which has the separate aspects of 'heads' and 'tails,' depending upon each perspective, but the coin is originally one thing.

The third expression of singularity is called, the 'essence is identical,' which is exemplified by the fact that astringent persimmons and sweet persimmons are in essence, the same fruit; A, as it is, is B. This ideograph can also mean 'absolutely the same,' a usage that originally began in Tientai writings." [cmuller]

Bodhi always means Enlightenment.

We can count on the SGI to pick one of the several or one of the myriad various meanings of a phrase that best accords with the Soka philosophy. They shoehorn the broad and profound teachings of the Lotus Sutra into the tiny shoe of Soka. This is another reason why they always try and control what the members are studying and they keep the depth of study to a minimum. Bonno Soku Bodhi hardly means chant for a female marijuana seed, get the seed, and that is equal to Enlightenment. I kid you not, this was an experience on the Chanting Growers Group on International Cannagraphic, a web site for marijuana growers and users. That young man is on the fast track to senior leader.

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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: Rothaus ()
Date: December 20, 2009 05:00PM

Hi wayfarerfree,

I practised in the UK for a number of years.

I think its important to point out that Nichirens main focus was not to overcome problems, he himself pointed out that they are a fact of life (look what the guy went through himself).
Having said that I do not believe that what the SGI practises has much to do with buddhism anyway. I find it normal that you do not want to have anything to do with the practise at the moment, after a while you may want to take a fresh look at his teachings and see how other Nichiren Schools interpret his words today - you will eventually find huge differences to what SGI teaches. And! You will find that other Nichiren Schools do have a dialogue with other buddhist directions and other religions.
Do not be surprised to go through a phase of anger too. I finally came to realise that I was in a cult AFTER I was reading the phases one goes through at times.
Its good to see how more and more people in this forum step forward as it is the only one to my knowledge that ex-members share their experiences in. Maybe ( I am sure) there is one in japanese. There used to be a yahoo group which also allowed for ex-members to speak up, but SGI got its foot down on that one.
Here you will find ex-mebers and those still in limbo aswell as those who now practise other forms of Nichiren Buddhism (as myself) and those who do not want to have anything whatsoever to do with religion anymore.
There are many anti-SGI sites this one is the only one where people talk about their experiences and research the facts.

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Re: Former SGI members
Posted by: wayfarerfree ()
Date: December 20, 2009 07:06PM

Thankyou all for all your kind greetings.

@ Rothaus:
I agree with your opening comments, via common sense, at least in retrospect.
Ive been angry for some time, I just didnt know why. The best thing that has happened to me, in some ways, is having to physically move away from the area I was in to live in a different part of the country, away from the members I had known more intimately. This gave me an opportunity to compare the two different areas, and see things from a bit more distance.
I would never, before meeting the practise, have expected all my problems to vanish via a spiritual method. My home grown, maybe New Age spirituality was a voice I could trust. As it stands at the moment, I am simply letting all the automated Soka responses Ive disturbingly noticed having reign over me slowly filter away, and I know this will take time.
To address your first point though, and this is the confusing point now for me: given that yes, one should suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy etc, what is the role the practise is really supposed to play, if not to be a catalyst for some form of personal development that will help you get through lifes challenges. Never mind chanting for a Porsche, etc, Im not that naive, but what about all the testimonials regarding people's health improving, succeeding at interviews to get that great job, having that sudden bit of "protection" in the way of some financial windfall and so on.
I was repeatedly - no, consistantly, assured I could - through activities, endless "fighting" daimoku and shakabuku - generate good fortune and change my the karma relevant to whatever I was experiencing that was leading to my suffering. In hindsight, Ive had the worst 4 years of my life, after having a pretty rough 2 years before that, Ive been prostituted and rolled out - immiedately to give experiences of very very personal, painful stuff at chapter days, almost as soon as I began practising, yet when I couldnt allieviate my suffering, I was discarded, much the same way news items get treated by the media. So, what is the real, intended function supposed to be, in the light of all the "success testimonials" and "victories", what purpose does chanting Nam Myo Ho Renge Kyo really serve? Im think Ive realised that the SGI answer to this is utterly unsatisfactory, so what are the other Nichiren schools ideas on this? Im sorry if that all sounds a tad aggressive, its not meant to be.If the answer is creating an indestructable inner happiness, then I havnt found that chanting NMRK has lead to that either.Before I practised, I was quite a proactive person, and always found solutions to my problems, but I know that Ive neglected these skills through following the advice and method of SGI "Buddhism".

@ Nichijew
I just cant help associating chanting with all things SGI, which, at least at the moment, is not a good idea.
Im not entirely comfortable with Nichirens militant attitude anymore, either, but thats just me. I dont really like the idea of having all that hostility and aggression towards other faiths in my spiritual life.

@Sushigirl
Thanks for sharing that with me, I obviously emphasise with your experience. I have heard so much screwed up, cold and unexpected self rightious crap come out of the mouths of some members, so utterly convinced of their rightiousness and supreme mission that the ends always justify the means. I mentioned once to a Malaysian girl from SGI I was talking to online that I had attempted suicide, and she made up some story the next day in some extremely misguided attempt to express her opinions, saying that a young man had just jumped from the roof of her building and now she and all her neighbours were disgusted by the stink his blood left (she was quite graphic), stating that the young man was to be hated for making their courtyard suddenly obscene...
I have also been told, in no uncertain terms, that I am going to hell for returning my Gohonzon... funny, I dont remember the point that chanting had turned me into a Roman Catholic.

Somebody was once good enough to me to say, outright, that I was in a cult, unequivicably and definately.
I dont think anyone else had the guts, I think they found me a bit scary in my fanatiscm.
I say thankyou now to this guy, wherever you are. Sushigirl, things are getting better already, and I can take solace in the fact that things were not as bad as they seemed, because all those warning bells Ive been hearing are not to be afraid of, but are instead a sign that I am more sane than I realised, and that SGIs BS could never have prevailed over what my own sense of wrong and right says in my heart.

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Re: Former SGI members, SGI is not Buddhism
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: December 20, 2009 11:13PM

This goes back to things near the beginning of this long thread.
I knew a person in the past, who called themselves a "Buddhist" from SGI. The first time this person told me they were a Buddhist, I assumed they were joking and being ironic and sarcastic, like someone eating a burger saying they were a Vegan.
This person was not a "Buddhist" in the sense of how most people think of it.
They drank excessively, got drunk regularly, smoked, had promiscuous sex often with strangers, and spent most of their day focussed on their career, money, trying to get famous and rich, and the rest of it.
So the person was like some reality show contestant acting out on TV, as in Greed is Good.

So that lead to some research into this so-called Buddhism sold by SGI in the west.
Within minutes, literally, I asked this person..didn't Buddha say the origin of suffering is desire?
They had never heard that one. Whoops.

In reality, the origin of suffering probably is excessive worldly desires.
What Ikeda did, is he didn't like real Buddhism for himself, so he changed it.
He also knows that most humans are self-centered, greedy, lazy, and want what they want when they want it now.
So he put together the SGI "ideas" that you can chant and get anything you want by magic. (Ikeda knows it doesn't work, he gets what he wants the old fashioned way, by taking it).
But Ikeda knows humans WANT to believe that kind of stuff.

That is why The Secret sold millions of copies. They told people the identical thing, but instead of chanting, all you had to do is THINK of something, and then it happens by magic.
The lottery companies exploit the same human weakness and impulse, they tell you that ONE LOTTERY TICKET can instantly make your life perfect. Its the identical sales pitch.
SGI is a really bad perversion of classical (real) Buddhism.



Its interesting that SGI people took over the yahoo forum on Ex-SGI. They were probably told to go in there and start making posts.
SGI has also taken down websites that were critical of SGI, with their threats, like with Lisa Jones and others.

So SGI-USA is aware of this thread, and they can't do anything about it. They can't send SGI soft-apologists into the thread, as they can't get away with anything. There were a few SGI soft-apologists previously, who tried to say things like...
- I don't care about the SGI money..
- those news stories are from Japanese tabloids
- SGI is not really a cult

And more distraction and deflection, and the standard SGI apologetics. But the lack of SGI promoters in this thread recently can't be an accident. Someone at SGI-USA who watches the internet must have realized that they can't stop people from speaking their minds, so their current strategy is to ignore it.
and of course, most regular SGI folks probably don't read anything critical of SGI.

It would be interesting on the SGI-USA site, or on other SGI sites, if they talk about criticism of SGI on the internet, and what to think of it.
Most cults and groups say there are a few disgruntled people making trouble, or even try to say their "enemies" are trying to go after them.
The thing is, anyone can see the Ex-SGI people who post here are just regular people who were in SGI.

So the SGI research needs to continue.
Research into the specific techniques of mass persuasion used by SGI and SGI-USA. The SGI techniques of money collecting, media persuasion, propaganda.
Where is the SGI billions collected in the SGI religion? How much real estate do they own?
What has gone on in the Ikeda inner circle for the past decades?

And hopefully some former insiders high-up in SGI-USA will also join this thread, and tell everyone what goes on behind the scenes.

But most importantly, is to identify the specific techniques used by SGI to manipulate people, as then that knowledge can be applied to others sects and cults.

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Re: Former SGI members, SGI is not Buddhism
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: December 20, 2009 11:22PM

Also, some senior folks at SGI-USA are probably very shocked to see that there are people who understand the precise SGI techniques being used on SGI members, even better than they do.
When their techniques are precisely exposed in the open, those who are doing the techniques get very freaked out. The tables are turned on them, and they don't know what to do. They are like deer in the headlights, paralyzed.
You can see that in person, when you expose their techniques in a seminar or meeting.

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