Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: March 10, 2018 08:07AM
larry bobo Wrote:
> I was just listening to a pastor from Brazil speak
> to a small group of men. He was asked, “What is
> the greatest obstacle you currently face?” I was
> surprised to hear that it was overcoming the
> spiritual abuse inflicted by evangelical
> Christians. I knew Brazilian politics and the
> Catholic Church in the area are well known for
> their corruption, but this was the first I’d heard
> of evangelical Christians being the problem. When
> asked what he meant by spiritual abuse he said it
> was similar to the Shepherding Movement that had
> swept through the United States a few years back.
> (If you are not familiar with the Shepherding
> Movement, it would be worth your time to do a
> little research since TLWF functions this way.)
> The Brazilian culture is very susceptible to
> strong leaders demanding that followers submit all
> areas of their lives to be directed by the pastor.
> Sound familiar? BTW, the “pastors” are typically
> accountable to nobody but themselves.
> It’s interesting how submitting who you marry, if
> and where you go to school, what career path you
> should choose, what other Christians you can
> fellowship with, etc. can have such damaging
> consequences. Questioning him further after the
> meeting, it reminded me a lot of the damage
> addressed in this website. Victims of this abuse
> seldom want anything further to do with God, and
> the few who do, want nothing to do with being a
> part of a local fellowship again. Mistrust is a
> huge issue. Wise council is always good, but this
> type of “ministry” leaves the lives of people in
> shambles and fearful to form intimate
> relationships again.
> Jeremiah 17:5-8 says, ”Cursed is the one who
> trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his
> strength and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
> He will be like a bush in the wastelands; he will
> not see prosperity when it comes. He will dwell
> in the parched places of the desert, in a salt
> land where no one lives. But blessed is the man
> who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in
> him. He will be like a tree planted by the water
> that sends out its roots by the stream. It does
> not fear when heat comes; its leaves are always
> green. It has no worries in a year of drought and
> never fails to bear fruit.”
> The question we need to ask ourselves is, “Based
> the type of fruit that is produced by TLWF, is the
> source God or man? I would suggest that most of
> us have already figured this out. My burden is to
> see the wounded healed and functioning in the Body
> again so the rest of us don’t miss out on what
> they were created to supply. The sooner we
> connect to the real Vine, the quicker our healing
"evangelical Christians being the problem" WOW! of course if 'god" looks like a person we know who uses spiritual termonolgy to get people to submit scarifically while "god" lives in luxery get drunk or high and lies without empathy or remorse...well, no "we" don't want anything to do with "god".
You are so right about "mistrust" and yet many of us had kept up a patterns of trusting liers who love bomb us. True for me anyway...so I act snarky rather than offering to give the shirt off my back like I did. Can it be a certian look or may the pattern of their speech or word choices? or is the the adrenalin rush? There is something in my head that feels like an "anointing". Any one else wonder?
I joined up with other churches "playing the church game" with one eye open just to be safe. I knew how to look the part so I could have Christian fellowship. What i saw was people in the main stream pretending to be holy just as much as I was acting a part in a demonination I coud not agree with.
I could kneel, bow, cross myself, chat a phrase but I did not mean it the ritua acts after being used to intersession and raising hands in worship. I found the mains stream sermons boring in bibical character. they were nothing more than social clubs and that is why many people joined the walk to find some real meat.
In my current opinion I think organized religious has nothing to do with a higher power that no human can ever comprehend. "nothing Understandable" is a defitnion of one name of the God we want to love and serve.
Right now, I have my own spiritual private relationship with that I don't understand. I don't do ritualistic behavior to get that source's attention. i read the bible as i always had. I read inspiraing books, but cherry pick rather than taking their words as a sole word from god.
I make a list and run my ideas across someone else in order to make my own good choicea . "God" gave me a brain to think for myself. I obviously have not found a replacement for a chruch.
I admit I still have issues with feeling a panic when trying to buy a cost effective package of toilet paper without permission. Don't ask! A few walkers will know what I am panicing about. I just ask my daughter to help me out by grabbing the TP and go on shopping.