changedagain Wrote:
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> puddington Wrote:
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> > I also think that the whole emphasis on
> travail,
> > intense intercession and screaming at God
> > certainly doesn't help. You get so focused on
> the
> > unfulfilled promises and prophecies that it
> just
> > sets you up for a lifetime of torment and
> > depression.
>
> Yes, and then when things don't work out, mainly
> because it wasn't a Word from God in the first
> place, the blame is placed on the people. That
> certainly doesn't help with their sense of
> self-worth. BTW, didn't Gary mention recently in
> one of his messages that he wasn't responsible for
> unfullfillment, since "the word" he has brought
> has been perfect?
> Or was he more subtle about it?


To me G-man is nothing more than a mediocre preacher and loud mouth opinionista, the lines are blurred.

corboy Wrote:
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> Someone who specializes in treating alcoholism and
> other addictions
> told me that anyone with a chemical or process
> addiction should,
> after detox, be routinely evaluated in case they
> have depression, bipolar, learning disabilities,
> ADD, ADHD and or histories of trauma/molestation.
>
>
> It is tragically common for people to self
> medicate due to an untreated
> underlying condition.
>
> One wouldn't tell someone to pray away their
> diabetes or nearsightedness.
>


Exactly!

lily rose Wrote:
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> puddington Wrote:
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> > Do you think there are an unusual number of TLW
> > members with mental problems? Depression.
> > Schizophrenia. Etc. Do you think the LW
> > environment attracts them? And exasperates
> their
> > problems?
> >
> > One thing is apparent to me. The LW doesn't
> help
> > them. I can remember certain members being
> > directed to not get help. And when they got
> worse
> > with their problems, they were told to stop
> > attending services.
>
> We believed things that weren't true but that
> doesn't mean we had mental illness. Having said
> that, my memories of some of the behavior of the
> ministry reminds me of the character Nathan, a
> paranoid schizophrenic (played by Kevin Klein) in
> the movie Sophie's Choice. One day upbeat and
> proclaiming breakthroughs and the next day
> demonstrating cruel behavior and drastic mood
> changes.


Some think Donald Trump is mentally ill. I remember an elder who behaved like DT. Impulsive, obsessive, etc. At an elder's mtg he said God showed him a certain woman in the church was a Jezebel. He had a sex dream about her. Pastor went along with it. Pastor had already been accused of sexual inappropriateness. The elder's wife even chimed in. The Jezebel was trying to steal her husband.

To think all the years. I spent at that funny farm called the LW.

> changedagain Wrote:
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> BTW, didn't Gary mention recently
> in
> > one of his messages that he wasn't responsible
> for
> > unfullfillment, since "the word" he has brought
> > has been perfect?
> > Or was he more subtle about it?

>
> lily rose Wrote:
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> To me G-man is nothing more than a mediocre
> preacher and loud mouth opinionista, the lines are
> blurred.


hilarious. I just spilled my beer.

NickleandDimed Wrote:

> Some think Donald Trump is mentally ill. I
> remember an elder who behaved like DT. Impulsive,
> obsessive, etc. At an elder's mtg he said God
> showed him a certain woman in the church was a
> Jezebel. He had a sex dream about her. Pastor went
> along with it. Pastor had already been accused of
> sexual inappropriateness. The elder's wife even
> chimed in. The Jezebel was trying to steal her
> husband.
>
> To think all the years. I spent at that funny farm
> called the LW.


Wow...that poor woman who was falsely labeled. I hope she was able to survive it.

I once had a reoccurring dream of Chucky chasing me around my bedroom. But it never occurred to me to accuse him of trying to break up my marriage.

lily, I think some ministries with narcissistic tendencies react. Just like men did back in the dark ages. They view their dreams as shameful. And attribute them to demons. The elder I described probably thought. Wow, that couldn't be coming from my mind. Or subconscious. Why that must have been a Jezebel spirit tying to wreak havoc on my pure walk with God. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm going with that.

Seems like the whole world's gone mad in the last 3 months. Gosh, if I was still in the cult, I could just relax and be assured that G & M were in control and everything was ok. Now it ain't so easy. But it's reality, ain't it?

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puddington Wrote:
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> Seems like the whole world's gone mad in the last
> 3 months. Gosh, if I was still in the cult, I
> could just relax and be assured that G & M were in
> control and everything was ok. Now it ain't so
> easy. But it's reality, ain't it?


Don't recall Papa John teaching about reality checks. His expulsion from the Assemblies of God should have been a reality check to him. It wasn't. While it's hard to argue with G-man. That M is controlling things from the clouds. That and all the extra biblical revelation from Papa John. We're talking about full blown aluminum-tinfoil hat wearing insanity.