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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: TheJewel ()
Date: September 25, 2017 12:46AM

lily rose Wrote:
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> puddington Wrote:
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> > RD was quite the showman wasn't he?
> Especially
> > in his wildcat pentecostal days.
>
>
> He also was quite the doomsday false prophet.
>
> R D Cronquist of Grace Chapel, California,
> predicted the end within 40 years of the birth of
> Israel in 1948. The book The True Believers (1986)
> quoted Pastor Cronquist as follows:
>
> A few years ago I thought that 1970 would bring
> the end. And then I received more light, and I
> thought that 1973 or 1974 would bring the end.
> Then I received more light, and I thought 1977 or
> 1978 would bring the end. Then I received more
> light, and I feel it could possibly go to 1980 or
> 1981 or possibly 1982, or somewhere in there.
>
> Too bad Twitter wasn't around then.

He was really big on conspiracy theories too. Often times stories of the Illuminati, tri-lateral commission, etc. would be woven into his sermons. They didn’t have Twitter in those days but there were all sorts of goofballs (like Dr. Peter David Beater) who sent out weekly cassettes (the forerunner of today’s “podcasts”) which he (and probably others) had subscriptions to. Lots of John Birch Society ideas interwoven as well.

I remember thinking this stuff was intreging at the time but it got weirder and weirder to the point that I bolted. I never really looked back till I found this site a couple years ago.

I originally came to Orange Avenue with Dave Cokas as part of that influx of “young people” RDC used to talk about. This would have been in ‘69 or ‘70.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: puddington ()
Date: September 25, 2017 02:13PM

Does anyone know the details about the end of Coniah Chapel? When RD changed the locks on the doors and kicked everyone out? The remnant of the congregation met somewhere else and eventually suied RD to get the property back. Is that how CoHK was born?

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: September 25, 2017 09:07PM

The history of the walk and TLWF is riddled with power plays among leadership. Battles over Who gets to control what--all in the name of God, of course. The people are always put in a position of choosing sides--since there acceptance depends on it.
BTW, I've heard Gary is very open about supporting Trump. They do have a very similar approach to dealing with dissension--so it makes sense.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: September 25, 2017 09:08PM

puddington Wrote:
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> Does anyone know the details about the end of
> Coniah Chapel? When RD changed the locks on the
> doors and kicked everyone out? The remnant of
> the congregation met somewhere else and eventually
> suied RD to get the property back. Is that how
> CoHK was born?


No idea, puddington. I suspect someone who participates in this forum will have the answer, though.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: September 25, 2017 09:57PM

changedagain Wrote:
"since there acceptance"
yikes...meant 'their'!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: September 25, 2017 09:59PM

TheJewel Wrote:

> He was really big on conspiracy theories too.
> Often times stories of the Illuminati, tri-lateral
> commission, etc. would be woven into his sermons.
> They didn’t have Twitter in those days but there
> were all sorts of goofballs (like Dr. Peter David
> Beater) who sent out weekly cassettes (the
> forerunner of today’s “podcasts”) which he
> (and probably others) had subscriptions to. Lots
> of John Birch Society ideas interwoven as well.

Wow

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: TheJewel ()
Date: September 25, 2017 11:46PM

puddington Wrote:
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> Does anyone know the details about the end of
> Coniah Chapel? When RD changed the locks on the
> doors and kicked everyone out? The remnant of
> the congregation met somewhere else and eventually
> suied RD to get the property back. Is that how
> CoHK was born?


RDC thought that the facility was his possession (and perhaps on paper it was). If I remember correctly, we showed up for a Friday night service and the locks had been changed and we were turned away. We met at Fred Ludwig’s home (the old place, not the newer on up the hill). This didn’t go over too well with his neighbors (TLW worshipers make a lot of noise - as well as constipating neighborhood parking). Eventually (after the neighbors complained enough) we all went down to the Casa DeOro church (which was already up and running) until the lawsuit got worked out. Don’t remember who was running that show. It is still there though under the baton of Dave Cokas (no association with TLW though).

I think RDC went to the Pacific Northwest at that point ultimately winding up in Canada somewhere. Not sure on that, since I didn’t keep track of RD.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: September 26, 2017 11:11PM

TheJewel wrote:
"RDC thought that the facility was his possession (and perhaps on paper it was)."

It would be interesting to see the money trail on the sale of every church affiliated with the Walk and TLWF--who received the proceeds, what account(s) it went into, and how it was eventually used. With all the talk, post-John, of there being a transparency in the handling of church finances...this has been veiled. Of course, if I was still in TLWF, I certainly wouldn't bring it up. The backlash from the regime would be too much to endure.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: puddington ()
Date: September 27, 2017 10:48PM

Yes. They say the books are open for inspection. But don't you dare ask to look at them. You will be labeled "a gourd".

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: lily rose ()
Date: October 01, 2017 03:12AM

puddington Wrote:
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> Yes. They say the books are open for inspection.
> But don't you dare ask to look at them. You will
> be labeled "a gourd".


That's a sure sign the members are not being fed, but shorn. Didn't Miller have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. That too is a sure sign someone wrong is going on.

The IRS tax rules allow for a parsonage exclusion. That means Gary can exclude his mega parsonages from taxation.

SHOW US THE MONEY GAReeeeee!

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