Quote
Impacted
Espiritu,
>>get off stealing ideas that may be good and healthy and meaningful and claiming to have invented them - and then making them unappealing. <<
To be clear, I do not agree that any of the core processes used/stolen/slightly modified by Hans/Sally/Pamela or Orvis/McDonald/ etc are at all "good and healthy and meaningful."
From the trust walk, to buddies, to red-black, to feedback arcs, to clear plastic bag, to beating on chairs and singing songs, to lifeboat, secrets, stretches, washing feet, contracts, to ropes course and service . . . NONE of it, not one minute is "good or healthy."
As for what Hans and Sally have brought to it (the cultish and sexual aspects of LMT and Women's and Couples) "unappealing" doesn't begin to describe it. It is twisted, dark and a glorification of evil, of Satan himself -- nothing less than that.
I gather you got something valuable out of impact ca 1993, and I sure thought I did for awhile too (as, I believe all of us thought/felt at one time). It's just on reflection, prayer, and talk with my bishop that I've come to see nothing there as positive at all (excepting, as I've said, a few friendships, and some of the music I might never have heard elsewhere).
The rest of it, pure garbage. Not of lasting value.
---Ed
Fair enough. We come from a whole different place and I respect your opinion because you have respected mine. I am not Mormon. So, I the fact that I found some redeeming value in some of the things you listed and you found them to be garbage is just what it is. I gained insight about myself through some of those things - insight that was built upon throughout my life. Anyway, I am just glad we can agree to disagree. Our backgrounds (spiritually speaking), I think, have a lot to do with our interpretations and experiences.