Moderator, I have just read some of Otter / beaver / Dynoman's posts and I have no doubt that Passionate is the same person.
He is using the same arguments, the same attitudes, the same turn of phrase, the same general attitude and tone and the same basic technique of making superficial criticism of Impact TIT than propagating core principles of core trainings and ridiculing the statements of people who are opposed to Impact.
He has promoted the following teachings from Impact - energy work, lifeboat process, multiple realities, relative morality (it works for me, to hell with anyone else), questioning the value of therapy.
A few samples:
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So that I don't get booted here, where can I find a copy of those rules you just mentioned? .
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And Former...if I was Otter I would have been booted a long time ago.
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Don't you guys want to get back at them now? How can you do that? This forum isn't enough. I'd be like "Hey Hanz, meet my friend Smith and my friend Weston."
I have heard about these groups sucking in people but the rage and brainwashing you guys are talking about is beyond description. If I had that much rage I'd probably shoot myself after shooting Hanz.
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Does nobody here have any suggestions on how to talk to friends who have been indoctrinated by Impact? Interresting stories? I would tend to wrap my hands around their throat and start choking reality into them.
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One major part of the core trainings is being connected with the world around us and doing something to make it better...
. Impact teaches that the collective whole of humanity can make a huge difference. It teaches that I can do something myself to make it better in my own small way
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The staffing I did was out of a sense of duty to the world and part of loving everyone.
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I do know that there are people who take Impact to an extreme, shutting out family and jobs to staff, seem to be unaccounable for thier actions and call it a higher calling
Passionate:
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No I wouldn't take it that far...extremes of any idea tend to be a bit weird.
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Mentally ill people are a whole different breed. I have no training on how to treat them, perhaps Impact does weird things with their minds (that already don't work well)....The more unstabel a trainee, the more potential they have to go off and do something stuid with their "new found power
Passionate:
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I know that people who have problems are harmed by Impact at a greater level than people who are fairly stable before going throught it.
Otter etc:
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Do you ban everyone from this site that has anything but negative and hateful things to say about impact?.....If someone has some valid non-confrontational questions then I will answer them from the viewpoint of someone who isn't here to bash on Impact.
Passionate:
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Do I have to totally bash Impact in every sense of the word to get you to take my request seriously? Bashing, for me, doesn't change my situation.
Otter etc:
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I have been through Impact, and gained some insight, but never became an impact groupy like some bitter ex-members of TIT here.
Passionate:
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the newbies eat that stuff up and take it as fact
Otter etc:
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How long did you eat, drink and poop it before you discovered it wasn't what you wanted it to be?
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I didn't know you were attending therapy before Klemmer. Did your therapist want to say "I told you so" when you went back?
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So whos dedicated enough and hurt enough to do it? Anyone here? I may be playing devil's advocate here, but if anyone believes the words they type here and hate them so much, then everyone should contact their State Legislature and
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Surely someone here has some good experience with this as that is exactly what you all profess to want to do so badly.
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Through my crystal work, and with the assistance of some friends, I was able to remove it and now I feel clear, complete connection with my God. The energy flow is amazing! Its pure whiteness defies description.
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That crystal of mine was really neat. As was the staff that asked me to carve neat patterns in it. They will be missed...temporarily.
Otter:
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I also said the court thing would probably be a futile approach as there aren't (most likely, at least) any laws they are breaking.
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Unfortunately in this country it is not against the law to run a company like Impact.
I am sorry to waste space on this but Otter aka Passionate is making this thread nonsensical.
I don't mind a rational discussion with someone who is honest about their attitude towards lgats, but this contradictory bash-and-promote technique is nothing but a distraction.
I don't want to waste time on this character but I would like to have some sensible conversation with others on the board and I am having to plough through a lot of noise and junk to get to the relevant posts.
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I am very tired of your saying how your agianst LGAT's, and then in your posts you want to gleen the good things from them.
Well said, Rs.