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nettie
Let me point out a few good things I learn;
- to speak in public (learn in the ILP)
- how to really listen to people
- how to keep promises (that was also used against me when I had agreed to some Landmark activity that I really didn't have time for)
- how to let people be as they are without judging them (but the would be really ok only if they then signed up for the Forum)
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nettie
Thanks for your sympathy and your care.
I think that I already have forgiven myself - I know I was used by them. :evil:
I wonder what inner boundary you must cross to go all the way to the top and become a forum leader. :?
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I met with a lady who was once married to a forum leader wannabe. They both were heavily involved in Landmark.
When he was on the way of becoming a forum leader she had to flee their house because she was getting more and more scared of him.
He said to her at one time - and this I heard her saying to me face to face.
[b:ef16ec35ae]"if it wasn't for Landmark I would kill you"[/b:ef16ec35ae]
I guess he understood that he couldn't both comitt a murder and get away with it.
I got really cold when I heard her say this. I believe she told the truth.
She was very fragile when I met her and that was if I remember correctly
2 or 3 years after she had fled. Her whole life was uprooted.
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nettie
I met with a lady who was once married to a forum leader wannabe. They both were heavily involved in Landmark.
When he was on the way of becoming a forum leader she had to flee their house because she was getting more and more scared of him.
He said to her at one time - and this I heard her saying to me face to face.
[b:f2574db819]"if it wasn't for Landmark I would kill you"[/b:f2574db819]
I guess he understood that he couldn't both comitt a murder and get away with it.
I got really cold when I heard her say this. I believe she told the truth.
She was very fragile when I met her and that was if I remember correctly
2 or 3 years after she had fled. Her whole life was uprooted.
I wonder what he meant?
-- he ment to really kill her, murder her.
That everyone at Landmark would know he killed her?
-- well even landmark has some morals
That he would betray his Landmark programming by killing another Landmarker?
-- well she had told him that she was scared at how he was behaving during the forum leader forwards - the internal forum for forum leaders -
and she stopped supporting his ambitions to become a forum leader.
That he didn't want to mess up his Landmark ambitions?
-- well he couldn't be a forum leader in jail :)
That he learned how not to be a victim of someone else's behavior at Landmark?
-- he was coached by other forum leader that he MUST make his wife
comply and get in line. There wasn't any way he would have been able to
become a forum leader unless she supported him.
That he'd have to undergo hours and hours of coaching ~around~ his destructive tendencies?
-- probably
That he might make Landmark ~look bad?~
-- sure
What?
(Where were you in your Landmark involvement when this happened?)
-- I stopped participating 1998 and met this woman in the US 2006.
-- The husband is a forum leader. I think these events took place some
2-3 years ago in the US. I am from Europe but met this woman in the US.
Ellen
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nettie
I met with a lady who was once married to a forum leader wannabe. They both were heavily involved in Landmark.
When he was on the way of becoming a forum leader she had to flee their house because she was getting more and more scared of him.
He said to her at one time - and this I heard her saying to me face to face.
[b:c972b3b474]"if it wasn't for Landmark I would kill you"[/b:c972b3b474]
I guess he understood that he couldn't both comitt a murder and get away with it.
I got really cold when I heard her say this. I believe she told the truth.
She was very fragile when I met her and that was if I remember correctly
2 or 3 years after she had fled. Her whole life was uprooted.
I wonder what he meant?
-- he ment to really kill her, murder her.
That everyone at Landmark would know he killed her?
-- well even landmark has some morals
That he would betray his Landmark programming by killing another Landmarker?
-- well she had told him that she was scared at how he was behaving during the forum leader forwards - the internal forum for forum leaders -
and she stopped supporting his ambitions to become a forum leader.
That he didn't want to mess up his Landmark ambitions?
-- well he couldn't be a forum leader in jail :)
That he learned how not to be a victim of someone else's behavior at Landmark?
-- he was coached by other forum leader that he MUST make his wife
comply and get in line. There wasn't any way he would have been able to
become a forum leader unless she supported him.
That he'd have to undergo hours and hours of coaching ~around~ his destructive tendencies?
-- probably
That he might make Landmark ~look bad?~
-- sure
What?
(Where were you in your Landmark involvement when this happened?)
-- I stopped participating 1998 and met this woman in the US 2006.
-- The husband is a forum leader. I think these events took place some
2-3 years ago in the US. I am from Europe but met this woman in the US.
Ellen
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nettie
She also told me that when coming back from some intense training
he shifted between two roles and he didn't seem to have control of the process. That of course scared the s-t out of her.
She also told me that for futrure forumleaders they will assign 4-5 forumleaders to keep an eye on the prospect. She said it was like having
landmark in every corner of their life; in bed when and how to have sex
etc etc.
It was really scary to hear her talking about this. She has cut all ties to landmark and anyone who could reveal her current whereabouts.
As I said the former husband now is a fullblown forum leader.
They have no contact. She still loves him - at least the guy she married.
It's a very said story. One of many.