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The accountant and any lawyer fees are the smallest cost associated with the attacks on Jackie. The biggest cost is coming.

what the heck does that mean?

Ezekiel 34

When the Sheep Get Scattered

1-6 God's Message came to me: "Son of man, prophesy against the shepherd-leaders of Israel. Yes, prophesy! Tell those shepherds, 'God, the Master, says: Doom to you shepherds of Israel, feeding your own mouths! Aren't shepherds supposed to feed sheep? You drink the milk, you make clothes from the wool, you roast the lambs, but you don't feed the sheep. You don't build up the weak ones, don't heal the sick, don't doctor the injured, don't go after the strays, don't look for the lost. You bully and badger them. And now they're scattered every which way because there was no shepherd—scattered and easy pickings for wolves and coyotes. Scattered—my sheep!—exposed and vulnerable across mountains and hills. My sheep scattered all over the world, and no one out looking for them!

7-9 "'Therefore, shepherds, listen to the Message of God: As sure as I am the living God—Decree of God, the Master—because my sheep have been turned into mere prey, into easy meals for wolves because you shepherds ignored them and only fed yourselves, listen to what God has to say:

10 "'Watch out! I'm coming down on the shepherds and taking my sheep back. They're fired as shepherds of my sheep. No more shepherds who just feed themselves! I'll rescue my sheep from their greed. They're not going to feed off my sheep any longer!

11-16 "'God, the Master, says: From now on, I myself am the shepherd. I'm going looking for them. As shepherds go after their flocks when they get scattered, I'm going after my sheep. I'll rescue them from all the places they've been scattered to in the storms. I'll bring them back from foreign peoples, gather them from foreign countries, and bring them back to their home country. I'll feed them on the mountains of Israel, along the streams, among their own people. I'll lead them into lush pasture so they can roam the mountain pastures of Israel, graze at leisure, feed in the rich pastures on the mountains of Israel. And I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep. I myself will make sure they get plenty of rest. I'll go after the lost, I'll collect the strays, I'll doctor the injured, I'll build up the weak ones and oversee the strong ones so they're not exploited.

17-19 "'And as for you, my dear flock, I'm stepping in and judging between one sheep and another, between rams and goats. Aren't you satisfied to feed in good pasture without taking over the whole place? Can't you be satisfied to drink from the clear stream without muddying the water with your feet? Why do the rest of my sheep have to make do with grass that's trampled down and water that's been muddied?

20-22 "'Therefore, God, the Master, says: I myself am stepping in and making things right between the plump sheep and the skinny sheep. Because you forced your way with shoulder and rump and butted at all the weaker animals with your horns till you scattered them all over the hills, I'll come in and save my dear flock, no longer let them be pushed around. I'll step in and set things right between one sheep and another.

23-24 "'I'll appoint one shepherd over them all: my servant David. He'll feed them. He'll be their shepherd. And I, God, will be their God. My servant David will be their prince. I, God, have spoken.

25-27 "'I'll make a covenant of peace with them. I'll banish fierce animals from the country so the sheep can live safely in the wilderness and sleep in the forest. I'll make them and everything around my hill a blessing. I'll send down plenty of rain in season—showers of blessing! The trees in the orchards will bear fruit, the ground will produce, they'll feel content and safe on their land, and they'll realize that I am God when I break them out of their slavery and rescue them from their slave masters.

28-29 "'No longer will they be exploited by outsiders and ravaged by fierce beasts. They'll live safe and sound, fearless and free. I'll give them rich gardens, lavish in vegetables—no more living half-starved, no longer taunted by outsiders.

30-31 "'They'll know, beyond doubting, that I, God, am their God, that I'm with them and that they, the people Israel, are my people. Decree of God, the Master:

You are my dear flock, the flock of my pasture, my human flock,
And I am your God.
Decree of God, the Master.'"

For Mike and others who took advantage of God's flock to profit themselves it means Ezekiel 34 will be the penalty for their actions, can you think of anything worse than a very angry Father in Heaven sending his army of Angels to tear down the house of cards which is TPC if you are Mike Villamor and company?

Ok, now I get it!

Daughter of Dorcas,
Bless you, excellent, thanks for picking this up.

I just read that Fan the Flame is starting back up this month. I also read that they are asking for a*donation* from those using childcare. I have mixed feelings about this....what are your thoughts?

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I just read that Fan the Flame is starting back up this month. I also read that they are asking for a*donation* from those using childcare. I have mixed feelings about this....what are your thoughts?

It seems like that old double standard raising its ugly head again...

Standard for the congregation: Trust God enough to tithe even when you don't think you can afford it.

Standard for leadership: Ask for donations for childcare rather than trusting God to provide for this ministry.

Standard for leadership: Ask for donations for childcare rather than trusting God to provide for this ministry.[/quote]

That's the point -- it's a ministry. Why does it have to be a paid position in the first place? In these present tough times, parents who want to use the ministry could take turns from time to time. Then everyone wins. I know there will be some families who may want to go to FTF, but even $5.00 will be too much for them. There should not be barriers blocking struggling families from going to church. THAT IS JUST WRONG!

Is 100% of the money going to the actual workers or is it being given to the church, aka leadership?

There are two reasons given in scripture for us to judge others. The first is to protect our brothers and sisters in Christ. Jesus (and Peter and Jude) warns us, in Matthew 7:15, to beware of false prophets who seek to destroy the Lord’s flock (our brothers and sisters in Christ). Fruit inspection he instructs is the key to discerning/identifying the truth and protecting our brothers and sisters in Christ.



The second reason for judging is found in Matthew 7:5, Galatians 6:1-2 and James 5:20. God reveals to us that fruit inspection gives us the ability to help a brother or sister in need -- to save them.

Taken together, we should judge to preserve and protect our brothers and sisters (the church). This is of critical importance, especially with the events that have transpired at Turning Point in the last several years. The false teachings and doctrine perpetrated for no other purpose than pride and greed of the senior pastor.



We must equip ourselves by the studying of the God’s word to discern good from false teaching – good fruit from bad. This is so we are not lead astray and so we stay on the path the Lord intended for us to follow. We are to judge (inspect fruit), not out of self-righteousness, but so when the need is there we can step into the gap and reach out to those who have yet to leave Turning Point, but who will eventually, and who will need our help. Help we must freely give with as much grace as the Father gives to us, who have left Turning Point already, daily.



Please note that none of the reasons given in scripture to judge others covers the kangaroo court in which Pastor Jackie’s name was drug through the mud. However, we should judge the fruit of those who called the meeting and who continue to support Turning Point's false accusations. They are a danger to our brothers and sisters in Christ -- whom we must protect and attempt to save.

Saddened That is an excellent post!!

I was listening to my satellite radio today and I heard this on "Wretched Radio" on the "Family net."
Read it in your best radio announcer voice

"!Finally, the world of religion and on-line gaming, meet with MAGA CHURCH!

MAGA CHURCH! challenges you to pastor a simulated church and create your own Christian Empire!

Build a church from the ground up. Hire and fire staff.

Attract fickle un-churched people with picnics and concerts.

Or steal members from other churches.

Spice it all up with a brand-new "emergent" plug in!

!The possibilities are endless!

Use it at your seminary to give future pastors that extra edge,

it's better than an internship!

Deal with real-life scenarios,

including elder board infighting,

stolen offering collection,

and congregational arguments over the purchase of a new organ,

anonymous letters from congregants.

!!!Do it all without degree,....license,.... or even the Bible.

After all, it’s only a game!"

I could not stop laughing at the irony!
But some how it was missing something....soooo

Announcer continued...
"Just listen to what one player said;"

Tony = "After playing Mega Church off an on in Coos Bay Oregon I started seriously playing again in Elk Grove California. For about 5-7 years I was only able to master the first 2-1/2 levels. But with the "new emergent" plug-in, I have learned the new strategy of how to launch my very own bible school, taking me up to level 5!"

Announcer = "Tony, do you have any tips for new players?"

Tony = You have to find the "authorized" Plug-in, it's very hard to find but this will help guide a new player into the ancient world art of "coercion and manipulation." This along with the new "Seeker Friendly" Plug-in, I can now create my very own teachings like convincing members to support me privately over and above their regular tithing, that got me up to level 8!!! Oh i almost forgot to tell you the online action is so realistic I can play with someone in Kiambu, Kenya or Marysville, Washington and think these guy are in my living-room!
Here we can talk about hiding money from the IRS and the church members."

Announcer = "Tony, do you have any trade secrets to playing MEGA CHURCH?"

Tony = "If you devote your life to playing this game you will even learn how to pick up on young ladies who are starting to play the game!!! and even convince your wife to have her move in with your family.
MEGA CHURCH is so life like! it's like no other game!"

Tony = looking into the Camera = "It has changed my life, and it can even change yours!"


Announcer = MEGA CHURCH! Now available at most Collage Campus, Mystic shops and participating Democratic and Acorn Headquarters.