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However, the most important concern today is not simply who might be somewhat "cultic" in their devotion now or historically, but what groups might represent potential problems regarding personal or public safety. That is, groups that are potentially unsafe and/or destructive.-Margaret Singer
Something you have repeatedly failed to prove.
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Douglas Mallette Murder Dialog
Oh give me a break. Seriously. You already posted about this and I already debunked it. Now your spinning it in an appeal to fear fallacy.
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Venus Project Spokesmen VTV and Douglas Mallette believe people need to be "annihilated". Mallette says people "need to die", "people are bad and evil": [
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And again, completely taken out of context, and debunked already. Your repeating yourself.
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the Zeitgeist Movement has now crossed the line into advocating violence, which sets them on (I believe) a very destructive and disturbing course, given the cult-like characteristics of this group—characteristics which unfortunately have accelerated markedly in just the last two months.[
muertos.blog.com]
Meurtos is not an expert on anything. Your just quoting another blog from a hostile troll who is just another guy on the internet.
Not members. Just one person. And they recanted later.
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Complete audio (murder talk is in last five minutes) [
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And more James Kush spin and patented repetition of already debunked logic.
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Mallette issues attack on myself for exposing his words and issue a "word retraction/apology" of sorts [
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Attacks you? For exposing your dishonest tactics?
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In the same "apology" video, mallette warns members to expect attacks Venus Project | Zeitgeist Members mentally prepared for violence-Douglas Mallette [
www.youtube.com]
Yes, he feels that if and when an ecological or economical collapse happens there will be violence and people who are prepared to deal with the famines that will result will likely be targeted. So what? The attempt to spin this as him trying to prepare people to be violent is an attempt on your part to make it look like Doug wants to attack other people. That was never implied. At all.
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An unsafe or destructive group is not defined by what it believes, but by what it does. That is, the behavior that causes harm and injury to the members of the group and/or others in society. -Margaret SingerA destructive cult hurts people. -Rick Rossarizona mass murderOK, now I’m getting creeped out. Jim Jones and the People’s Temple. David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. Marshall Appelwhite and Heaven’s Gate.
There is a pattern, a trajectory, to such cults. When the leader starts telling his followers that the movement’s (mundanely predictable) problems are proof that his prophecies are being fulfilled — “See? I’m omniscient! I’ve foretold the future! And now I predict my triumphant vindication!” — things tend to start getting crazy.
Were I asked to guess what we’ll see from The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM) over the next year, I’d say schisms and purges. A year from now, the faint-hearted and disillusioned will have drifted away, rival groups will have sprung up to dispute Joseph/Merola’s leadership, and Joseph/Merola’s TZM will consist of a hard core of fanatical True Believers. Whether they’ll hunker down in a “compound” to await the apocalypse, I can’t predict. But these things never end well.[
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Zeitgeist, a conspiracy-theory documentary released in 2007, has spawned its own cult following. According to Loughner's friends, the accused Tucson gunman was one of the cult's most zealous converts. And many of Loughner's otherwise inexplicable obsessions -- from his fascination with currency to his rantings against illiteracy to his paranoid fears of "mind control" -- parallel ideas promoted in Zeitgeist.[
spectator.org]
According to a friend of his interviewed on Good Morning America on Wednesday, the conspiracy documentary Zeitgeist "poured gasoline on his fire" and had "a profound impact on Jared Loughner's mindset and how he views the world that he lives in."[
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I’ve been listening to and reading about 32 year old Joseph and his ideology, most of the night. He is frightening and the most ego-maniacal person I’ve ever listened to. I believe I’ve finally actually witnessed a true anarchist. Nothing like those wild young people who break store windows and throw rocks – this guy is the real deal. Regardless what he says though, Joseph is thriving in and loving the cult worship that he is nurturing and that’s being showered on him by so many misguided people. It’s very apparent in the interview video.[
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Zeitgeist: Watch the Conspiracy Movie That Had a ‘Profound Impact’ on Tucson Mass Murder Suspect Jared Loughner[
theothermccain.com]
At a time when Loughner was increasingly unable to control his own mind, he apparently welcomed "Zeitgeist's" message that there were sinister forces out there trying to control it for him. The meaning of "Zeitgeist's" role in the Tucson violence is not that Loughner's motive was political. It's that the movie's insane incoherence proved to be an awful stimulant for one dangerously incoherent mind. Read more at the Washington Examiner: [washingtonexaminer.com][
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AND JARED LOUGHNER AS I HAVE ALREADY EXPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES WAS NOT PART OF THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT.
Yeah, some guy who hadn't spoken to him in two years. As I already pointed out but your hoping people whom have not been keeping track of this debate may not of noticed, Loughner for his alleged "obsession" or "influence" from the first Zeitgeist film did not mention it on his own blogs, or in any of his own videos. And in in fact advocated the gold standard or personal currencies, NEITHER OF WHICH ARE ADVOCATED BY THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT.
So far you have posted a spam of personal opinion articles that don't prove anything.
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member reported abuseBrenton Eccles, a former member from Melbourne, described how his involvement cut him off from reality. “It’s very, very, very isolating,” says Eccles, who was part of the communications team in the movement’s Australia branch. “You’re encouraged to kind of exit the real world. There’s kind of this us-and-them attitude.” A few days later, he sent me a document recanting most of his charges and claiming that his conflicts with the organization had in fact been his fault. This did not make it seem less cult-like.[
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I have spoken to Brenton about that article. And he was highly displeased about the way the author took him completely out of context.
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St Louis Zeitgeist Member wants to beat people with a batHe wants to beat a critic of Zeitgeist with a bat: [
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Why he advocates Zeitgeist video: [
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vandalism[
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Campus police arrested Robert Lowell Harris, 21, Thursday morning on complaints of obstructing an officer, public intoxication and malicious injury to property.
Alumni Center Operations Director David Cates said someone used pruning shears to cut metal letters off the Alumni Center’s west side and then hurled the foot-tall letters through windows into a lounge.
A window at Gundersen Hall next door was also smashed, and the phrases “ZM” and “Zeitgeist movement” were spray-painted on the sidewalk and walls outside the Student Union and in the Alumni Association parking lot.
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And another spattering of spin articles that are not even relevant. Unless you can prove that the core principles of the Zeitgeist movement and more specifically that the Zeitgeist movement specifically instructs anyone to exhibit this behavior it comes back to being the individuals doing things outside of our control.
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it is crucial to understand that behavior is the issue and not belief. When those concerned about someone's group involvement find clearly destructive behavior, this is an issue for legitimate concern.-Margaret Singer Cults range from relatively benign to those that exercise extraordinary control over members' lives and use thought reform processes to influence and control members. While the conduct of certain cults causes nonmembers to criticize them, the term cult is not in itself pejorative but simply descriptive. It denotes a group that forms around a person who claims he or she has a special mission or knowledge, which will be shared with those who turn over most of their decision making to that self-appointed leader.Margaret Singer [www.factnet.org]
Further in her introduction Dr. Singer compares George Orwell's vision of a negative utopia in his classic work, Nineteen Eighty-Four, to the frightening world inside modern-day cults: "Modern-day cults and thought-reform groups tend to offer apparent utopias, places where all humankind's ills will be cured. The cults' lure is, if you just come along, all will be fine, and everyone will live happily ever after. Singer [www.factnet.org]
"Since the 1960s, there has been a burgeoning not of governments but of independent entrepreneurial groups that go into the mind-manipulation and personality-change business. Myriads of false messiahs, quacks, and leaders of cults and thought-reform groups have emerged who use Orwellian mind-manipulation techniques. They recruit the curious, the unaffiliated, the trusting, and the altruistic. They promise intellectual, spiritual, political, social, and self-actualization utopias. These modern-day pied pipers offer, among other things, pathways to God, salvation, revolution, personal development, enlightenment, perfect health, psychological growth, egalitarianism, life in and ecospheres. Margaret Singer
And again. Repeating already debunked logic. And taking things out of context in a propaganda fashion.