Of course, in a non-cultic environment, difference of opinion is healthy!
But there have been many terrible mistakes made about James Ray. The worst are in the media, and in those who wanted to ban sweat lodges, and the like.
James Ray has nothing to do with sweat lodges, it was just an instrument for him. He could have used an igloo, or desert island, or hotel ballroom.
What was James Ray REALLY doing?
Teaching The Secret? No. Teaching enlightenment? No.
What James Ray, Byron Katie, Tony Robbins, and hundreds of others are doing is something else. It can be called many things, like unconscious influence, or covert persuasion, invisible influence.
But what is that?
That could be called ENGINEERING "voluntary" CONSENT.
Some have made the error of calling it coercive influence, but in these cases its probably not really coercive, but PERMISSIVE.
They have learned the precise techniques to set up a complete influence system, using books, seminars, video and audio to deliberately shape peoples ability to make DECISIONS, usually about handing over money.
In all of their seminar waivers, they all FORCE people who are attending to sign a paper saying their consent is "Voluntary". Why do they all do that?
Because they get sued by people coming after them later, saying they were put into an altered state of mind and then ripped-off for 20K-50K.
What these seminars have learned, is how to influence and engineer consent, that APPEARS voluntary to the person. Most of those techniques have come from the NLP-Sales-hypnosis-perusasion nexus, as well as social influence. Even peer pressure can work like that too.
They have combined all the tech into one package.
Especially the NLP conversational hypnosis tech that uses metaphors and language patterns, double binds to MANUFACTURE seemingly voluntary consent with PERMISSIVE techniques.
So they are able to invisibly influence and engineer their targets seeming experience of "voluntary decision making", but in fact they are managing that decision process using dozens of specific techniques.
Its not airy-fairy stuff, its written up in advanced sales manuals which appear at LGAT's on advanced sales that sell for more than 10K.
Engineering consent is an old term used in advertising by Bernays. [
en.wikipedia.org] but the techniques have come far since that time.
There is a mildly related book Manufacturing Consent which deals with some of the political side of that idea. [
en.wikipedia.org]
But the personal engineering of the ILLUSION of Voluntary consent in these advanced LGAT seminars is something that is going to have to be studied in great detail.
That is also why a criminal conviction is not a slam-dunk, as "voluntary free will" is something that the courts are all about.
These LGAT Gurus are not stupid, its the media that is stupid. Byron Katie and hubby Stephen Mitchell know all about how this works, read their disclaimer which uses the word "voluntary" constantly. Voluntary consent? [
forum.culteducation.com] [
forum.culteducation.com]
How is anyone going to prove in court that these permissive techniques have manufactured the illusion of seemingly voluntary consent in the subject?
James Ray also knows its about engineering seemingly voluntary consent in the followers. The key is they don't even need to use the coercive techniques as much, and can use the permissive techniques.
So that is the real issue, of WHY and HOW those people ended up risking their lives against all reason and common sense. They were shaped and persuaded to do so using this Tech over a period of time.
Its very powerful material.
Did Josh-Megan come to James Ray that screwed up? Not likely. Using this tech, an expert is literally able to also reshape people's Values. That is not abstract, there are SPECIFIC techniques to modify people's Values, beliefs, perception of reality, behaviors, emotions, and thinking patterns.
They are also able to do it permissively, where the target believes they have Voluntarily made those decisions, which have been largely engineered into them using a complex process.
Again, this is not abstract, in the advanced NLP persuasion-hypnosis-sales that James Ray studied in Hawaii from Matthew James and Tad James, he learned that entire system, and combined it with other systems.
Its a similar process Byron Katie uses to get people to "voluntarily" hand over their wedding rings [
forum.culteducation.com] and valuables, and to "voluntarily" sign a document saying that once they give her their stuff, they cannot have it back. Byron Katie knows it wears off after a few months.
So the 3 day contract cooling off period is a joke, 3 days is nothing for the persuasion experts.
So that is the game, engineering what appears to be voluntary consent into people, making them sign documents, to get them to act against their own interests financially, and even believe they thought it up themselves, then BLAME THEMSELVES later.
Its the manipulation and subtle engineering of what seems to be "Free Will", and their own Voluntary consent. Has that ever been tested in a court? As long as they don't physically coerce you, the Gurus knows damn well they can do anything they want. That is why they all chant...
Its All Voluntary, its all voluntary consent.
These LGAT gurus are not stupid, they have speny YEARS working over-time on their skills in this area. They are obsessed with it, they crave that POWER, they have worked on it all day everyday for years. They have spent often hundreds of thousands of dollars to research the techniques, by taking the advanced persuasion seminars of the best experts in the world, and copying them.
The time is right for this type of information to be exposed in the mass media by smart investigative journalists, if there are any left.
Maybe a couple of the top NLP advanced persuasion experts will have a crisis of conscience and write it up. Or maybe they will do it to try and make a buck.
(But not like the current Influence books which are full of misinformation, lies, misdirection, and upselling).
They could write a smart mainstream book, and educate the public precisely on how it all works.
Imagine that, making a reasonable living actually helping people and being one of the good guys. Almost unthinkable.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2010 08:03PM by The Anticult.