Here are links to the discussions on 'Equal Money System' at the 'Zeitgeist Movement' forum:Equal money FAQ'Equal Money systems'EQUAL MONEY SYSTEM WORKS; TVP IS DREAMING, DESTENI CLAIMS
Some interesting points are made, but only a few of the posters appear to be aware that 'Equal Money System' (EMS) is just a recruitment slogan and device concocted by Bernard Poolman to get people to join his 'Desteni' cult.
One writes in reply to another poster:"Martijn, you would be incorrect that I haven't done my research. I was part of their forums around the later part of last year trying to reach out to them. They shut me down and refused any discussion of TVP/TZM and demanded that I read only Desteni related materials. I gave them a chance and I read what they had to offer. I did so for two weeks before I gave up in disgust. Their writings are full of mystical new age mumbo jumbo, but don't take my word for it, do explore it yourself, but don't spend two weeks on it like I did.
So my question is, have you shaved your head yet?
It is obvious to me you are here to defend your system. Good luck with that.
Basic income grants are a good idea. The vehicle in which EMS and Desteni seek to package it is not a good idea.
I agree we have no room for opinions, I only have room for facts. So tell me...is it a fact that Jack is a portal? That Anuki exists? That reptilians are real? I submit these are fantasies and until EMS severs it's relationship with Bernard Poolman you are not going to get much credibility from us."
Another states:"It seems that Desteni group is definitely incapable of engaging in constructive discussion/s. I've read their replies and it seems they are experts at twisting and manipulating my words using conversational terrorism while at the same time avoiding to answer important questions and points I addressed there.
This group's mindset is almost like a religion, dogmatic to the degree that it's almost painful to watch and read their repeated replies, just parroting/mirroring the words of their head honcho Poolman.
They are not interested in networking and cooperating with other groups and projects, only to increase their membership count.
I have made a proposal of cooperation between all of us, and immediately I got banned from their forum.
It is obvious that they do not stand for true equality but selective equality that considers and applies only to those in the group's inner circle, that way creating entropy (closed circle)."
A key element of the Desteni 'equal money system' is microchip implants:
"With the micro chip we discussed previously, the abusers can thus be tracked immediately. Anyone who abuses another has to be placed into a facility where he/she cannot abuse anymore
It is a strange idea, because for some reason Desteni imagine that ordinary, law-abiding citizens will want to allow themselves to be microchipped like dogs or criminals.
In relation to the idea of a Resource Based Economy (RBE), a Desteni member writes:
"The RBE will not ever come into existence, there is to much freedom allowed in the RBE for it to be seen as a option. At this moment, mankind needs to be restricted into a system
that is creating minimum abuse. RBE still does not hold any solution for mankind, and for how mankind lives. It’s just a removal of money. Not realizing that man will still compete, still grab resources, still fight, and still value himself in relation to how much resources he has. Man is not ready, and not capable of dealing with the freedom that RBE presents, because man is not able to see the bigger picture of things, and act upon the bigger picture of things. All that man see’s is himself and his own fears, his own desires, his own brainwashing. That is why equal money will allow a equal sharing, a forced equal sharing of resources between people with money as the law
. Whereas in the RBE it is not directed, it’s only stated, everyone can take what they want to have, everything is free for everyone. That is actually what has lead us into this mess. Because everything is not FREE for everyone. Everything must be EQUAL for everyone. Equal opportunity for all, where we force this equality through changing the current god of mankind from free will, to equality
from: The Venus Project: have you ever heard of it ?
at the Desteni Equal Money forum.
Needless to say, it is clear that Desteni are in favor of a totalitarian police state.