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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: March 01, 2011 09:13PM

Thanks, concernedmom83. Feel free to PM your email address so we can pass it on to former members and ask them if they want to write to you with information to help get your loved one out of the Desteni cult.

Via the computer your loved one uses, you may be able to gain access to the Desteni private forum and SRAT lessons, take screenshots and post them on this forum. That way we can find out some more about the real goings on of the cult.

MW Snap is a good screen capture utility, easy to use and available for free download: [www.mirekw.com]

As regards informing the authorities, here's a link to the Facebook page for the Durban police force: [www.facebook.com]

and another for a list of Police Stations in Kwazulu-Natal province:
[www.saps.gov.za]

The relevant station is Pietermaritzburg, near where the Desteni farm is located.

Amongst other things, they may be interested to know about Bernard Poolman's claims that he is an ex-SA police officer with a law degree. If he actually is an ex-cop then some of his former colleagues may have some interesting contributions to make to this thread.

The address of the Desteni farm is on this page: [site.egyfox.com]

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: March 01, 2011 09:28PM

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The Anticult
quotes with names and references could be sent to those who look into these issues in Germany, as Desteni has websites and connections with Germany.

A search on the co.za whois [co.za]

[co.za]

reveals that desteni.co.za is hosted by
[www.hetzner.co.za]

It states at [site.egyfox.com] that the hosting server for desteni.co.za is based in Nürnberg, Germany.

The Hetzner company at [www.hetzner.co.za] is a branch of the original German Hetzner company at [www.hetzner.de].

Hetzner may be interested to know that Desteni promote the redemption of Adolf Hitler.

See: Hitler : Part 1 - Experience of life on earth
[desteni.co.za] and subsequent articles

and The Hitler Series of videos: [desteni.co.za]

as well as The Jew in Every Man is a Zionist where Poolman states that Hitler had it right and calls for 'the removal of the Jewish principle'.

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 01, 2011 10:21PM

Latenter Antisemitismus

The Germans know all too well what will happen when an out of control cult leader takes control, under semblance of law, of an entire nation and the inner lives of a majority of its people--and pursues a program of demonizing persons deemed inferior/corrupt.

So--Informing Hetzner concerning the Destini/Pooleman material would be a worthwhile strategy.

For purposes of comparison, you can read here how another group group was disciplined in Germany on account of what the provider termed 'latent antisemitism'/'latenter antisemitismus'--read here for purposes of comparison.

[lotus-online.de]

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German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago

Guys prepare for the next blow. There is a german copy of Facebook called studiVZ (studi=student) with approximately 10 Mio users. They are one of biggest social platform in Europe. Anyhow, they are owned by one of the biggest Media Cooperation in Germany and they just shut down the Zeitgeist groups which had several 10k followers.

If thats not bad enough, it gets worse. The reason for the ban are anti-semetic tendencies expressed by TZGM. Maybe you can translate the whole article with google.

[lotus-online.de]

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This is the actual message sent to the group admin:


Hallo,

wir haben Deine Gruppe „Zeitgeist-Revolution.de“ gelöscht. Sogenannte Zeitgeist-Gruppen werden im VZ nicht länger akzeptiert. Allerdings möchten wir auch darlegen, weshalb wir uns zu diesem Schritt entschieden haben.
Es ist nicht unsere Absicht alternative Meinungen und Nachrichten zu behindern oder zu unterbinden, aber wir beobachten seit einige Zeit mit großer Sorge die Entwicklung der Theorien, die z.B. durch die Zeitgeist-Filme angestoßen wurden.
Die Ideen von grauen Eminenzen, Eliten oder Geheimbünden, die im Hintergrund die Fäden ziehen, ist nicht neu. Die Zeitgeist-Filme weiten diese Idee auch auf das Wirtschaftswesen aus. Und da schließt sich ein Kreis innerhalb der Geschichte der Verschwörungstheorien: Latenter Antisemitismus, der immer wieder in vielen der formulierten Theorien durchscheint.

Zum Beispiel in der Idee vom bösen, raffenden Kapital, welches ja letztlich für die Wirtschaftskrise verantwortlich ist und über Mäzenatentum und ähnliche Mittel der Einflussnahme auf die Weltpolitik einwirken, um diese nach ihrem Interesse zu lenken.
Wir sehen davon ab den Antisemitismus zu erklären oder zu diskutieren, weil wir von unseren Gruppengründen erwarten, dass sie sich mit den Problemfeldern ihrer Gruppenthemen auseinandergesetzt haben.

Weiter bitten wir Dich keine weiteren Gruppen zu diesem Themen zu gründen, da dies ansonsten zu einer Sperrung oder Löschung Deines Profils führen kann.

Danke für Dein Verständnis,
Das VZ Team


translation (given in the text of the cited article): (corboy bolded and underlined for emphasis)


Hello,

we deleted your group "ZG-revolution.de". So called ZG groups are no longer accepted in studiVZ. Anyhow, we want to give you the reason for our action. It is not our intension to supress alternative opinions or news, but we see with worries the developement of new theories that have been pushed, for example by the ZG movies.

The idea of gray eminences, elites or secret societies that control politics from behind the curtain is not new. The ZG movies extend these ideas to the economic system.

And here the circle of the history of conspiracy theories closes: latent antisemitism, which shines through many of the formulated theories. For example the idea of the bad, grupping capital, which is responsible for the financial crisis and also patronage and similar means to take influence into world politic to control and guide them in their interest.

We will not explain or discuss this antisemitism, because we expect the group founders to be aware of the problematic content of their group themes. We urge you to not found any new groups with this topic or you account and profil will be deleted.

thanks for you attention, the VZ team.



Prepare for similar actions by Facebook! MAybe you could bring this to the attention of the facebook group, so users dont get disconnected like in germany. Youtube and google already tried to block the voices of Alex Jones, we might be the next. In this context, if you are in Europe, vote the Pirate Party into the EU parliament to protect the internet and freedom of the individual. (namedeleted)

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
the german political system uses a pro semitic stance to label anything they see as a threat anti semitic.

clearly with the history of the german national identity it is not advisable to have anything to do with anti semiticism, but they also use it to their advantage, as in this case.

the german system was recently caught out trying to put in a national firewall to prevent certain internet sites being viewed, and an international company was swooped on for divulging this information and showing what they were blocking and trying to implement. Seeing that it was an international company and happened to be based in germany was their mistake as it caused an uproar.

bottom line, if its a german site, they will try to eridicate any anti corporatism, anti establishment at all costs and never give the real reason, since anti semiticism is a great excuse for the germans, it makes them look good doing something bad.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Man thats crazy!
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
These are very bad news... though it isn't surprising.
But how to deal with it? I think the social networks are very important to reach a generation of people which are using these services every day. First of all I think the movement has to make clear that the ideas behind Zeitgeist have nothing to do with antisemitism. I think we all share the opinion that this is a completely peaceful movement...

Maybe it would be nice to have groups which share the similar thoughts but don't call themselves "zeitgeist-revolution" or "break down the system"-group. You know what I mean. For example on facebook exists a group called "planet productions" with members mostly from UK. It also has thousands of members and they are all supporters of a resource based economy. On the other hand I don't know if it is a good thing when the word "Zeitgeist" gets banned this way. So in the case of studiVZ another possibility would be to try to get as many users as possible from this platform and make a petition so they see that the majority of the people don't see anti-semetic tendencies in the movement.

But anyway we must not let us ban from some kind of social networks in a time where still most people are not aware of the flaws and possible solutions in our time.

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
They might have been bribed by the Rothschilds to shut down the group. LOL. (name deleted)

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Conclusion: It should be stated clearly on every group online that this movement does not want to separate people into any groups; and that all ethnicity, nations, religions etc. are welcome to join. The basis of the movement is unity, and not anti-.

Suppose the ZM takes over the monetary system, nobody is going to be punished for crimes against humanity or something like that. This is one of the mistakes of any previous movements of similar kind - they made bloody revolutions, killing and convicting people of power before them, creating hidden hatred within generations of their families etc.

None of this stupidity should be re-done with the ZM, and it should be clear that nobody thinks about anything other than non-violent resistance (similar to what Gandhi was doing).

Administrators of such social websites should be contacted personally about this, get it clarified on the movement pages etc. There's no legal way to draw those wrong conclusions about ZM. Jewish people can (and probably do) participate in ZM, as any other people, and nobody in ZM is making such absurd general divisions of outdated prejudice.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
I guess they are assuming that anti-capital = anti-jewish.

Thats quite a big leap to make, considering that capitalists nowdays are not all jewish.

Of course, its probably not helped by the Z approach to being rather anti-religion, so someone might assume, they are anti-religious capitalists, though still, that could be other religions as well!


This kind of thing is happening all over with other political groups, so its not suprising that Z is now being considered a realistic threat.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Well there are some similarities between what people identifies as NWO/Illuminati/whatever and the old "jewish world conspiracy" so I can kinda understand where they are coming from, even though it seems they are overreacting.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
The article btw states furthermore that the media group which created this site is associated with the bilderbeg group as well. With all the attention that this conspricacy theory stuff currently gets, I'd say it was a pretty stupid move by them to take such radical action against TZM. Such concrete evidence allows us to convince other people more easily that the current situation isn't something worth perpetuating.

I wonder why you even try to make conclusion about them connecting zeitgeist with antisemitism. With such an argument it's clear that they simply want it out of the way.

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
If people stop posting about conspiracy theories in relation to the movement, the whole 'anti-semetic/anti-establishment/anti-etc.' thing will go away. If the Zeitgeist groups focus on The Venus Project, they will not be removed. Keep this in mind; there's no good for any company blocking a completely 100% prosocial venture, it would look mindless.
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Re: Desteni
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 01, 2011 10:25PM

In addition to the spectre of Nazism, the German goverment is also painfully aware of the many assassinations and bombings perpetrated by the Baader Meinhof group
from 1968--1977

That in addition to the haunting memories of Nazism, give the German goverment, its media owners, and citizens ample reason to feel concerned.

[www.baader-meinhof.com]

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Desteni cult, crime, porn, rape
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: March 06, 2011 09:11PM

The Desteni cult targets naive, disillusioned New Agers looking for something less airy-fairy or less capitalistic than the New Age Movement, but it is also aimed at and attracts individuals with mental health problems, a history of criminal activity and/or maladjusted or alienated people confused about basic social, sexual or psychological issues.

There are numerous examples of this at the Desteni forum. Here are a few:

This one says they were psychotic, suffer from adrenaline burnout, had a nervous breakdown etc:

Hi everybody & some help needed
[desteni.co.za]

Another is into child porn and is confused about it:

Sharing addiction experience on children pornography?
[desteni.co.za]

NiklasNydahl says he was addicted to extreme violent porn and got cured of it through Desteni:

Stopping Porn for World Equality
[www.youtube.com]

Hi! Im Malin
[desteni.co.za]

describes how Malin was physically and mentally abused by her father who also raped her sister.

Anthony Wilson talks about how he was addicted to 'heroin and marijuana/hashish though I have seriously toxicated myself with cocaine crack cocaine ecstasy amphetamine barbiturates and other pharmaceutical depressants glue/solvents and opiate substitutes over more than 30 years':

[desteni.co.za]

Marley Dawkins was into gang crime:

My Gang Experiences
[www.youtube.com]

Obviously not all Desteni members are from these kinds of backgrounds, but it is surprising how often posts like these end up on their forum. The standard response is just to encourage them to keep reading the material, sign up for the courses, to v-log and blog etc.

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: concernedmom83 ()
Date: March 07, 2011 08:25AM

I am so upset and amazed at the same time. I find it so hard to believe that someone would be this evil.

I listened to ea Rossouw's video describing her very warped version of 'the family'. destini seems to want it both ways, they call themselves 'family' ( I guess to one another), yet they tear apart 'The Family". I would like to know if Andrea has any children. I am not giving her an excuse for talking so anit-family, but if she had a baby she would know what ever mother on this site feels. A baby is hope for the future. I think it's natural to want your child to suceed in 'life', and not fail. A parent, no matter where on this earth he or she lives, loves this child and wants what's best for she or he.
For one, I am so insulted that Andrea would assume that I as well as every loving parent is a demon. I also found it odd that she mentioned 'emotions', something that destini seems to deny. Love, no such thing. What a sad, sad way to live.
I would like to have some substanciated evidence that destini has helped the poverty stricken in their country ,South Africa, in any way.
So bernard and crew, please give me some examples of your kindness and concern toward others who are so less fortunate than you are at your farm.

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Re: Desteni, doing the cult manipulation routine right by the book.
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: March 07, 2011 08:57AM

Unfortunately, virtually every one of these sects works very hard to divide people from their biological family, to get them to rely on the sect more than their real family.
In Scientology, if the person's family gets in the way, they are forced to disconnect from them. Same with almost every other sect, and often even LGAT seminars, where family members will tell them they are getting scammed and ripped-off.
The sect/cult, must separate the person from their family, to get them more deeply involved with the sect.

And almost every sect also tries to make a big SHOW of how they are "helping the hungry" or fill in the _______.
Its just cynical manipulation. Some sects hand out "food to the hungry" on the streets...you think that food comes without a price? Even if the price is just using the hungry as advertising props in the sects marketing?
Often, it becomes their more cynical ploy, and the sect members and leaders know it. Many of them have contempt for human "pity", but they exploit it cynically in others, for their own purposes.
Like The Hunger Project, [www.culteducation.com] from Werner Erhard [www.culteducation.com] was/is a sham, to take advantage of people's good intentions, to make money.
That is how these guys operate.

As has been said 100x now, Desteni and Poolman are just doing everything right by the cultic book, and in a very amateur fashion, but it still works to a degree, and they are still getting some followers to go along with them.
And the criticism and blowback against Desteni is growing...

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 07, 2011 09:27AM

In addition to what The Anticult describes, there is another angle to the family estrangement.

The longer one has been out of touch with family, the harder it becomes to resume contact. If I go too long without talking to friends and relatives, I get embarrassed at being such a lazy slob in taking such a long time to respond that I dawdle even more.

And...I'm free to call them any time. No one is stopping me.

Now..look at the deal if someone has been persuaded by a high demand group such as Destini to sever or reduce connections with family and friends.

*The subject not only becomes more and more dependent on the group for social support..they take on beliefs that are considered strange (at the VERY least) by mainstream society. So to return to family and friends means feeling afraid to admit to what it was that drew you away from them. The fear of being laughed at or shamed can make it terribly difficult to even imagine resuming contact

*You're persuaded more and more that your family and friends are part of a dangerous outside world.

And..in some cases, a subject might be persuaded to do things or witness things that instill shame and possibly even fear of social rejection, or blackmail.

Even if you're not beaten up or brutalized yourself, if you witness others being degraded, and you stand by as a witness, you incur participatory shame.

This too can make it hard to leave or imagine leaving.

An especially subtle way to keep people trapped is to persuade them that the horrors and misery they witness and anxiety they feel are evidence of toughness, an ordeal that marks them as members of an elite. And any misgivings are a shame of inferiority.

If one hears of defectors being referred to as weaklings or failures, and if you are kept isolated in the group and told that defectors are living lives of madness or failure, that too can keep you from leaving.

Finally if you want to leave but love someone who remains in that group one may feel unwilling to desert them and thus remain oneself.

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: concernedmom83 ()
Date: March 07, 2011 10:17AM

Well, I should say so Corboy. Your points are very well taken.

As I have said and will repeat again. Why are all the destini members faces on next to their names and the leaders is in a repilian, animal type costume? From the first moment I saw this, I thought it odd. Can anyone here imagine looking for a doctor, lawyer, or any trade you needed to contact for help. You asked for their bio and here is the head of the organization with a childish Halloween costume on instead of his picture. I for one have to say that certainly doesn't instill trust and competance in Bernard. But we aren't dealing with someone who wants to let the world know who he is and what he's about. Why then does he feel he has the right to invade people's lives?

Corboy, you're right about the "will" part. I agree that all this self forgiveness and process, is just to manipulate the members. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect that the members will try to remember and understand what their families are for them. To listen to Andrea, a mother and father are just evil and want to put their children on the same mistake track that they themselves might have been on. I 100% disagree with this. It is inherent in a mother and father to love their child and want what's best for them. To hopefully suceed futher than they did in life. And one big thing: to see others as yourself and act on it. Try to help out at your local school tutoring, go to the elderly center in your town and donate some time visiting and listening to these people who are so wise, help out with your local rivers and waterways, clearing debris. Your local houses of worship will have programs that you can become involved in. Give of yourself, back to society....that will make positive things happen. None of this costs a cent, just your time. Please don't tell me that it's a band aid on the problem (something I've heard too many times) ... and do nothing...that is until you have the equal money party in place. DO SOMETHING FOR THOSE THAT YOU ESPOUSE TO CARE ABOUT NOW!

I just can't get over the fact that a recruiter of destini is 'demonizing' parents everywhere. What the heck kind of credibility do you think this is go to get you with anyone interested in REALLY helping to make the world equal for all?

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Mindtracker ()
Date: March 09, 2011 12:58PM

@concernedmom
I'm sorry to hear about your plight. I feel that your investigation into this cult can only help you. Keep it up, knowledge is power but remember wisdom listens.

Also I posted a response to one of the many celebrity destini videos and I had a thought that I'd like to share. This is my original post:


"Why would anyone ask a common sense question? Doesn't that seem like it would be a waste of energy? And what kind of person wants to sit around and answer common sense questions? I suppose its a lot easier to block critical questions so you don't expose your followers to realizing the absurdities in this truly dangerous way of thinking."

I received a reply from none other that ANDREA. This chick must spend all day in front of a computer monitoring posts and e-mails, not to mention all the B.S. she deals with from Poolman and the students of their resonance alignment classes. She just went on a personal attack of my youtube channel go figure. I'm just putting this out there to help everyone push through this horrible thought fail.

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