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German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago

Guys prepare for the next blow. There is a german copy of Facebook called studiVZ (studi=student) with approximately 10 Mio users. They are one of biggest social platform in Europe. Anyhow, they are owned by one of the biggest Media Cooperation in Germany and they just shut down the Zeitgeist groups which had several 10k followers.

If thats not bad enough, it gets worse. The reason for the ban are anti-semetic tendencies expressed by TZGM. Maybe you can translate the whole article with google.

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This is the actual message sent to the group admin:


Hallo,

wir haben Deine Gruppe „Zeitgeist-Revolution.de“ gelöscht. Sogenannte Zeitgeist-Gruppen werden im VZ nicht länger akzeptiert. Allerdings möchten wir auch darlegen, weshalb wir uns zu diesem Schritt entschieden haben.
Es ist nicht unsere Absicht alternative Meinungen und Nachrichten zu behindern oder zu unterbinden, aber wir beobachten seit einige Zeit mit großer Sorge die Entwicklung der Theorien, die z.B. durch die Zeitgeist-Filme angestoßen wurden.
Die Ideen von grauen Eminenzen, Eliten oder Geheimbünden, die im Hintergrund die Fäden ziehen, ist nicht neu. Die Zeitgeist-Filme weiten diese Idee auch auf das Wirtschaftswesen aus. Und da schließt sich ein Kreis innerhalb der Geschichte der Verschwörungstheorien: Latenter Antisemitismus, der immer wieder in vielen der formulierten Theorien durchscheint.

Zum Beispiel in der Idee vom bösen, raffenden Kapital, welches ja letztlich für die Wirtschaftskrise verantwortlich ist und über Mäzenatentum und ähnliche Mittel der Einflussnahme auf die Weltpolitik einwirken, um diese nach ihrem Interesse zu lenken.
Wir sehen davon ab den Antisemitismus zu erklären oder zu diskutieren, weil wir von unseren Gruppengründen erwarten, dass sie sich mit den Problemfeldern ihrer Gruppenthemen auseinandergesetzt haben.

Weiter bitten wir Dich keine weiteren Gruppen zu diesem Themen zu gründen, da dies ansonsten zu einer Sperrung oder Löschung Deines Profils führen kann.

Danke für Dein Verständnis,
Das VZ Team

translation (given in the text of the cited article): (corboy bolded and underlined for emphasis)


Hello,

we deleted your group "ZG-revolution.de". So called ZG groups are no longer accepted in studiVZ. Anyhow, we want to give you the reason for our action. It is not our intension to supress alternative opinions or news, but we see with worries the developement of new theories that have been pushed, for example by the ZG movies.

The idea of gray eminences, elites or secret societies that control politics from behind the curtain is not new. The ZG movies extend these ideas to the economic system.

And here the circle of the history of conspiracy theories closes: latent antisemitism, which shines through many of the formulated theories. For example the idea of the bad, grupping capital, which is responsible for the financial crisis and also patronage and similar means to take influence into world politic to control and guide them in their interest.

We will not explain or discuss this antisemitism, because we expect the group founders to be aware of the problematic content of their group themes. We urge you to not found any new groups with this topic or you account and profil will be deleted.

thanks for you attention, the VZ team.


Prepare for similar actions by Facebook! MAybe you could bring this to the attention of the facebook group, so users dont get disconnected like in germany. Youtube and google already tried to block the voices of Alex Jones, we might be the next. In this context, if you are in Europe, vote the Pirate Party into the EU parliament to protect the internet and freedom of the individual. (namedeleted)

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
the german political system uses a pro semitic stance to label anything they see as a threat anti semitic.

clearly with the history of the german national identity it is not advisable to have anything to do with anti semiticism, but they also use it to their advantage, as in this case.

the german system was recently caught out trying to put in a national firewall to prevent certain internet sites being viewed, and an international company was swooped on for divulging this information and showing what they were blocking and trying to implement. Seeing that it was an international company and happened to be based in germany was their mistake as it caused an uproar.

bottom line, if its a german site, they will try to eridicate any anti corporatism, anti establishment at all costs and never give the real reason, since anti semiticism is a great excuse for the germans, it makes them look good doing something bad.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Man thats crazy!
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
These are very bad news... though it isn't surprising.
But how to deal with it? I think the social networks are very important to reach a generation of people which are using these services every day. First of all I think the movement has to make clear that the ideas behind Zeitgeist have nothing to do with antisemitism. I think we all share the opinion that this is a completely peaceful movement...

Maybe it would be nice to have groups which share the similar thoughts but don't call themselves "zeitgeist-revolution" or "break down the system"-group. You know what I mean. For example on facebook exists a group called "planet productions" with members mostly from UK. It also has thousands of members and they are all supporters of a resource based economy. On the other hand I don't know if it is a good thing when the word "Zeitgeist" gets banned this way. So in the case of studiVZ another possibility would be to try to get as many users as possible from this platform and make a petition so they see that the majority of the people don't see anti-semetic tendencies in the movement.

But anyway we must not let us ban from some kind of social networks in a time where still most people are not aware of the flaws and possible solutions in our time.

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
They might have been bribed by the Rothschilds to shut down the group. LOL. (name deleted)

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Conclusion: It should be stated clearly on every group online that this movement does not want to separate people into any groups; and that all ethnicity, nations, religions etc. are welcome to join. The basis of the movement is unity, and not anti-.

Suppose the ZM takes over the monetary system, nobody is going to be punished for crimes against humanity or something like that. This is one of the mistakes of any previous movements of similar kind - they made bloody revolutions, killing and convicting people of power before them, creating hidden hatred within generations of their families etc.

None of this stupidity should be re-done with the ZM, and it should be clear that nobody thinks about anything other than non-violent resistance (similar to what Gandhi was doing).

Administrators of such social websites should be contacted personally about this, get it clarified on the movement pages etc. There's no legal way to draw those wrong conclusions about ZM. Jewish people can (and probably do) participate in ZM, as any other people, and nobody in ZM is making such absurd general divisions of outdated prejudice.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
I guess they are assuming that anti-capital = anti-jewish.

Thats quite a big leap to make, considering that capitalists nowdays are not all jewish.

Of course, its probably not helped by the Z approach to being rather anti-religion, so someone might assume, they are anti-religious capitalists, though still, that could be other religions as well!


This kind of thing is happening all over with other political groups, so its not suprising that Z is now being considered a realistic threat.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
Well there are some similarities between what people identifies as NWO/Illuminati/whatever and the old "jewish world conspiracy" so I can kinda understand where they are coming from, even though it seems they are overreacting.
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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
The article btw states furthermore that the media group which created this site is associated with the bilderbeg group as well. With all the attention that this conspricacy theory stuff currently gets, I'd say it was a pretty stupid move by them to take such radical action against TZM. Such concrete evidence allows us to convince other people more easily that the current situation isn't something worth perpetuating.

I wonder why you even try to make conclusion about them connecting zeitgeist with antisemitism. With such an argument it's clear that they simply want it out of the way.

If a petition wouldn't work then this is even more back up for this theory. (name deleted)

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Re:German Facebook equivalent deletes Zeitgeist groups!! 1 Year, 8 Months ago
If people stop posting about conspiracy theories in relation to the movement, the whole 'anti-semetic/anti-establishment/anti-etc.' thing will go away. If the Zeitgeist groups focus on The Venus Project, they will not be removed. Keep this in mind; there's no good for any company blocking a completely 100% prosocial venture, it would look mindless.

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