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'What's your personal motivation in this?'
What's yours, DesteniWhy?
You said in your first post that you were keen to join a cult but were rejected by Desteni. You won't attain your stated objective by hanging around here. I'm sure that if you gave it some thought you could come up with a plan to fulfil your desire.
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April 07, 2010 07:20PM BernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: Desteni The members of desteni is allowed to be attacked personally -- all groups are people --you have double standards
How desteni is run is not of your concern -- where it is relevant --the necessary points are in place
I am qualified as policeman and have a law degree* and developed several software educational products in reading and mathematics for the last 15 years.
(Underline and boldface added for emphasis by Corboy)
I am qualified as a human being by virtue of my birth and claim my right to stand for a world where there is dignity for all. It is time that all take responsibility -- even you
Once an equal money system is in place -- desteni will no longer exist
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April 07, 2010 07:26PM rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
Again, you seem to be attempting to change the subject. The topic of this thread is destini. Please stay on topic.
**You were a policeman? What police force were you a member of specifically? What rank/position did you hold?
**You have a law degree from what university?
**Is your CV or bio posted on the Web somewhere?
**Why is so much of the business side of destini being kept a secret? is meaningful transparency a problem?
**It seems that you sell products for profit through your destini company Web site, is that essentially how you make a living?
(** double asterisks added to emphasis questions put by the moderator to BernardPoolman)
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April 07, 2010 07:43PM BernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: DesteniI am showing clearly that you have a vendetta against any group that are working towards resolutions that benefit humanity as a whole --within that all I share answers the questions directly --but expose you as particular directing things to protect the real cults in this world
The moderators make the decisions as to the forum and they are long standing doing so
The desteni assets are owned by several people that group it together -- no one person owns anything but by the copyright which we stand by -- copy right what we share
we use one language where the definitions are clear to make sure that no one misunderstand
that is simple common sense that such application will benefit all people especially at the family level and make life a lot easier and make trust attainable
do you promote that people should speak differently when you knwo it leads to abuse and lies? --with desteni we do not have to worry about lies --we speak the same language and we live it? what would you like us say or live?
is it strange to have principles?
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April 07, 2010 07:46PM BernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: Desteniwe obviously agree and speak the same language--why do you not like that?
that seem to be a particular strange psychological condition used by followers of god, where they are all right and may interpret the bible as they wish and apparently all go to heaven only when they agree verbatim -- such a contradiction
you expose yourself as being extensively brainwashed
you need some help with self forgiveness and self honesty
on the next page, Mr Ross the moderator addressed Mr Poolman and
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rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
This is not destini. It is a public message board.
Attempting to manipulate the thread won't work.
You still have not answered some basic questions asked.
Why is that?
What are you hiding?
Is that type of behavior what you call "self honesty"?
You said, "Are you aware of any scientific studies that conclusively prove that Jesus awakened from the dead and awakened the dead and ascended to heaven? Is the bible a credible journal that somehow is never questioned by science?"
Does this mean that destini is like Christianity a matter of faith? Is destini a religion? Why then is it structured as a for-profit company as you earlier stated?
You said you were a "policeman." What police force did you serve? What was your position, rank and job description?
You said you have a "law degree." From what specific university did you graduate with a law degree?
Is your bio or CV posted somewhere on the Web? If so, please provide a link.
You said that a budget was somehow done for destini. Where is that posted? Can you provide a link to where it is online?
Does the budget disclose in detail your salary and compensation?
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April 07, 2010 08:04PM BernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
Please provide a link to where the budget is posted online.
Does the budget disclose in detail your salary and/or compensation?
If so what was your salary and compensation according to the posted budget?
Your response to requests for a scientific study is interesting.
You said, "Are you aware of any scientific studies that conclusively prove that Jesus awakened from the dead and awakened the dead and ascended to heaven? Is the bible a credible journal that somehow is never questioned by science?"
Does this mean that destini is like Christianity a matter of faith? Is destini a religion? Why then is it structured as a for-profit company as you earlier stated?
Desteni
its on the forum --join and do some reading --you may like it and get some first hand info instead of feulling lies without substance --then you can quote the full document you refer to when you speak about desteni -- I insist you do so -- when you speak about desteni to give your reader the full perspective -- that is the stature of integrity
I do not receive a salary -- only food and a place to stay and clothes - I have no interest in money for myself --only a solution for all --when a system protect all I will be protected
No--desteni approached every university that do research in this field before we went public --only one ever responded saying that they have no budget for research--money control science -- so --we went public
desteni is not a religion --we share tools that benefit those that use them --then we share goals that we approach in a way that is practical like politics for instance -- those that participate do so because they agree with the principles -- we are rather strict on principles -- that prevents deception and as i stated we always publish --that prevents people from being able to quote desteni without actual proof that is was published
we structured it as for profit because we knew that we will not get funding for an equal money solution --those with money has it all --and certainly would not like to give it up for the rest of humanity to have a dignified life -- that has been proven to be so -- we have no received any significant financial support -- and we do not anticipate to receive any
we will work our own way through this and more than 90 percent of the budget come from the original group that started desteni --and i am not one that contributed as i had noting already
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April 07, 2010 08:11PM rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
So the "forum" you cite is not public, but only to be seen by registered members?
I have no interest in joining your forum, but would appreciate you simply answering the questions asked.
Is the budget of destini independently audited by an outside accounting firm?
You have still not answered many of the questions asked.
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April 07, 2010 08:19PM rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
There you go agian, attempting to pull the thread off topic.
This thread is about destini, not Marx, Communism or consumerism.
You still have not demonstrated basic "self honesty" and "integrity" by answering the questions asked about you and your business.
Why is that?
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Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
This is not destini. It is a public message board.
Attempting to manipulate the thread won't work.
You still have not answered some basic questions asked.
Why is that?
What are you hiding?
Is that type of behavior what you call "self honesty"?
You said, "Are you aware of any scientific studies that conclusively prove that Jesus awakened from the dead and awakened the dead and ascended to heaven? Is the bible a credible journal that somehow is never questioned by science?"
Does this mean that destini is like Christianity a matter of faith? Is destini a religion? Why then is it structured as a for-profit company as you earlier stated?
You said you were a "policeman." What police force did you serve? What was your position, rank and job description?
You said you have a "law degree." From what specific university did you graduate with a law degree?
Is your bio or CV posted somewhere on the Web? If so, please provide a link.
You said that budget was somehow done for destini. Where is that posted? Can you provide a link to where it is online?
Does the budget disclose in detail your salary and compensation?
I have answered all these questions --you are manipulating
(Corboy-Mr Poolman did not answer the questions about where he got his law degree, or about his police work)
get of your high horse --you have been owned
an educational non profit? who finance you? who pay your salary
i have stated mine
what is yours?
what give you the right to play anticult? *
*(Corboy-The First Amendment of the Consitution of the United States of America, item one of the Bill of Rights)
what educational qualification is even valid for such a claim? -- all anti cults will be under the supervision of some larger group
you have no right morally or otherwise to even run this forum -- it is just self righteous abuse of people --have you been fro psychological evaluation yet?
*(Corboy, it isnt a matter of morality. It is a legal right, guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States-)
what are your issues you take out on other people? are you incapable of behavior that will benefit all of life?
what is your core spiritual obsession that justifies to you why you may attack anyone?
The only place where exposure is valid is where humanity as a whole is abused --then a solution must be presented
what solution do you have?
NONE
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April 07, 2010 08:30PMBernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: DesteniIt was nice playing
for interested parties for common sense unbiased reports and discussions on what is best for all life -- join Desteni
we will be in your future
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April 07, 2010 08:43PM rrmoderator Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniTo whom it may concern:
Mr. Poolman has apparently decided to move on with his sock puppets.
He answered questions vaguely, often without substance or supporting objective evidence and/or was completely evasive.
This behavior doesn't speak well for Benard Poolman or his Destini business.
Likewise, the sing-song that was repetitiously recited by his followers on this thread appeared to be virtually verbatim what Poolman said.
Maybe the others posting here were Poolman posing under other names, or Poolman clones under his influence.
Destini seems to be a enterprise essentially dominated by Poolman and personality-driven. It apparently contains his conspiracy theories, seemingly denigrates the outside world and perhaps ultimately serves as a "cash cow," which Poolman seems to milk for his income.
In my opinion Destini can easily be seen as a "cult-like" and potentially unsafe group.
I would not recommend Destini to anyone for anything under any circumstance
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April 07, 2010 07:27PMBernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
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rrmoderator
Ann1986:
Welcome to the message board.
A few questions.
Is destini a registered nonprofit charity? And if so is it a religious nonprofit?
How much money is paid out in salaries each year and expenses to staff? Is there a published budget that discloses in detail how the money contributed to destini or paid for its products is used?
Are you aware of any study done to scientifically measure the results achieved by destini participants? If so has the study been peer-reviewed and published in a credible respected journal?
Desteni perspective
Are you aware of any scientific studies that conclusively prove that Jesus awakened from the dead and awakened the dead and ascended to heaven? Is the bible a credible journal that somehow is never questioned by science? how dare you mislead and ask these questions when you are not asking them where real psychological problems exist -- it the churches of this world
a budget was placed on the forum for all to see and once the new year has been done by the accountants -- the next budget will be on forum
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April 07, 2010 07:34PM rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
Please provide a link to where the budget is posted online.
Does the budget disclose in detail your salary and/or compensation?
If so what was your salary and compensation according to the posted budget?
Your response to requests for a scientific study is interesting.
You said, "Are you aware of any scientific studies that conclusively prove that Jesus awakened from the dead and awakened the dead and ascended to heaven? Is the bible a credible journal that somehow is never questioned by science?"
Does this mean that destini is like Christianity a matter of faith? Is destini a religion? Why then is it structured as a for-profit company as you earlier stated?
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April 07, 2010 06:50 PMrrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:
Welcome to the message board.
You say "guaranteed results."
What independent study has been done to establish results claimed by destini participants?
Is there a peer-reviewed scientific study you can cite, which has been published by a credible journal?
You say that destini is "not non profit."
Does that mean you are for-profit privately owned company?
Do you effectively control/own destini?
Or are there shareholders and a democratically elected board?
How much money does destini take in annually?
How much do you receive in salary and/or compensation?
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April 07, 2010 06:54PM BernardPoolman
Date Added: 04/07/2010
Posts: 20 Re: Desteni Opinion* is something used by potentially dangerous people that spread lies as if it is true - Get the facts and it stand to reason that this forum opens itself to consequence with publishing opinion without an actual source --this is potentially harmful to people that are easily frightened with years of conditioning about the word cult -- you have hardly placed yourself in a position of integrity
*(Corboy writes-this is merely Poolman's personal re-interpretation of what opinion is--taking a common word and giving it a special meaning)
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April 07, 2010 06:57PM rrmoderator Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 3942 Re: DesteniBernardPoolman:Quote
Attacking members of this message board personally is against the rules you agreed to before posting here.
This thread is about "destini"--so please stay on topic.
You have said that destini is "non a non profit" on another thread.
Does that mean it is a privately owned and controlled for-profit company?
Do you own and control the company? Or are there other partners/shareholders?
Is there an elected board?
Is there a published budget?
Are you a licensed or board certified professional?
What is your educational background?
Is your CV* posted on the Web site somewhere?
*CV is formal academic language for 'resume'.
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SimulacronX
This is just amazing.
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SimulacronX
Why do we here for instance consider us to be impervious to such coercive manipulation?
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Why can't we imagine becoming greatly commited to Desteni?
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Is it really only manipulation that turns them into Desteni fanatics?
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Why do you do keep at it...researching this?
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What's your personal motivation in this?
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I've been one of the forefront monitors of Desteni since 2007