The general attacks on Tibetan Buddhism by the Trimondi site I think are questionable. The whole site seems an anti-Buddhist diatribe.
I was a Tibetan Buddhist at one time, and when I learned that my own teacher was teaching the highest empowerments, which includes sex I began doing my own research. Because of what I was told about the Trimondis’ I decided to find books on my own, even finding and reading the Commentary of the Kalachakra on my own. I was shocked and sickened. It took two days to read it, and then I emailed my teacher and called him a lair and told him I was finished with Tibetan Buddhism. Then I began doing more research after learning that other men and women were being sexually abused by these sexual predators, and that word I know sounds harsh, but they groom men and women in the same way sexual predators groom, but just these men and women are not children it doesn’t make them invulnerable.
Tibetan Buddhism is based on sex such as has stated. Even in Tibet they have phallic frescos painted on the walls of the monasteries. I am not sure if I am allowed to post them here, but I can provide a link: [downthecrookedpath-meditation-gurus.blogspot.com
And here is part of an article from the same website:
Lama Thubten Yeshe (Introduction to Tantra, 147) wrote:
"There is a certain point in the mastery of the completion stage where physically embracing a consort is necessary . . . ."
Je Tsong Khapa who founded the Gelugpas, agreed that to attain Buddha-hood in one lifetime, it is necessary to use an actual consort (karma mudra) saying, "A female companion is the basis of accomplishment of liberation."
That is, in order to generate an illusory body as that of a particular deity with all the qualities of existence, another person must interact with it.
Tsongkhapa, founder of the Tibetan Gelugpa sect is of the same opinion:
Shaw, Miranda, Passionate Enlightenment: Women in Tantric Buddhism, Princeton 1994.Page 146
“A female companion is the basis of the accomplishment of liberation”
The Dalai Lama said he would not reach enlightenment in this lifetime because he did not have a consort.
The Dalai Lama also said that many within Buddhist schools believe that the Shakyamuni became enlightenment with a consort under the Bodhi Tree and that his was edited out in many iconographies and written accounts."
The Buddha never taught such practices that are held to be secret. He said that he taught with an open hand, and that monks and nuns were to practice celibacy--ALWAYS.Warrenz wrote: This I can imagine causes all sorts of conflicts and unhappiness.
He was speaking of women and lamas having sex, and to this I would like to add, Yes, it can, and isn’t Buddhism really about ending suffering, not causing it?Suenam wrote: I agree. The kind of hysteria this attempts to whip up only really plays into the hands of those like Nydahl, who use that to denounce their opponents as mentally unstable flakes.
You won’t believe how many times I have heard this is Hinduism when a woman complains of sexual or verbal abuse. It makes me so angry that gurus and disciples do this to women. They also add on, the woman just wants fame. This is such a sick behavior by these gurus and disciples and actually criminal. The same has happened in our society when a woman has been raped. Either she was going to the wrong places at night or she was dressed wrong, but basically, it was her fault. Something was wrong with her.Steve wrote:
I've seen him tongue kissing and fondling a student but she seemed as eager as he was.
Sometimes this may be the case, but more than likely she was groomed for this type of behavior.Steve also wrote: I will say that a huge amount of pressure was exerted upon me to dedicate many long hours in construction work, event organisation and editing lectures. I was put on a 'guilt trip' if I didn't comply.
And while this was being done to you something similar was being done to women or even men in order to get them into a sexual relationship with a guru or lama.Drinking to excess was common after many events.
Drinking to access is common among gurus, after all they are enlightened now and so they can do what they want. Even the Kalachakra states this. In Vedanta I knew a man who used to go to the liquor store for these gurus, i.e. holy men.I urge anyone with an interest in investigating Buddhism to stay well away from DWB. Do not get involved.
I urge anyone with an interest in any eastern religion to go to Zen or Theravadin since they don’t engage in these practices. Tibetan Buddhists do practice sex with their disciples in private as do Hindu gurus. It is part of the package and they try to keep it a secret as best as they can. If it hasn't happened to you then the guru is just not interested and also consider yourself fortunate.Misstyk wrote: I'm not sure why the Trimondis have credibility issues.
The reason is because Tibetan Buddhists have put them down so much that even their disciples believe what these lamas and forum members say about them. They were translators for the Dalai Lama and so got ahold of his texts and when they learned what the teaching was about, well, they decided to expose it. Even June Campbell has been badmouthed by the Tibetans as being a liar. I saw first hand how abusive gurus were in Hinduism and had women friends who left due to this abuse. I was told in all cases that the women were liars, mentally disturbed, etc. I knew these women, and I knew what they were going through, they were not mentally disturbed, except to say that what happened to them caused them to be so for a while. I was disturbed by what I saw and heard as well; I left in anger, and I might say that anger hasn't totally gone away because I hate that people are abused in the name of religion, which is supposed to bring peace of mind in this world where so many are harmed.Sue wrote: Two of the criticisms of Nydahl I have put forward are this; 1) he mistakenly interprets the tantras in a literal way, 2) he views women as helpless victims that require his protection. Your view seems to take this seriously as the truth about all Vajrayana Buddhism when it is in fact Nydahl's distortion of it.
They are literal Sue. I suggust that you buy the book, Kalacakra Tantra (A Commentary On The) [Paperback]
Geshe Lharampa Ngawang Dhargyey (Author)
He was sent to America by the Dalai Lama. This book was not to ever be published, and it warns people that their head will burst if they read it before they are initiated. Well, I felt my head bursting when I read it, but not how he expected it to happen. It was bursting from shock and disappointment in another religion. (You can only get this book on Amazon.
Anyway, he admits that it is literal. REALLY LITERAL.Nydahl doesn’t consider women as helpless victims to protect. He doesn’t protect them at all. He turns them into victims.
These people that you listen to that tell you these things Sue are lying to you. Don’t fall for it. Here is another book to read that will open your eyes:Tantrism: Its Secret Principles and Practices by Benjamin Walker
Sue, I even know of men who have been sexually abused by these lamas.
Corboy is NOT making sweeping generations. Tibetan Buddhism has always been corrupt and always will be. Here is what a scholar has to say about Tantra:
Here is a tidbit from the book, History of the Tantric Religion by N.N. Bhattacharyya
, Page 20: “In the Agamapramanya of Yamunacarya it is stated that the Vedas do not support Tantric rites and that the Tantras are much in vogue among the low class people. In works like the Desopadesa and the Narmamalat of Ksemendra and in the Bharatakadvatrimiska of the Jains, Tantric rites are depicted as ridiculous and most detestable. ..the Tantras are for the person fallen from Vedic rites and afraid of Vedic penances. ..Followers of the Tantric way should be socially ostracized and that any act of social intercourse with them should be followed by expiatory right.”
I know this comes from Hinduism, but it is basically all the same. The tantras are sexual in nature and have many detestable teachings, such as drinking, eating feces, drinking menstrual blood, and on and on. The Tibetan Buddhists over on Dharma Wheel even spoke about these things openly before they were deleted by the moderator.