Its very clear, the Supreme Master doesn't seem to care there are things called "laws" and giving large sums of money to politicians is called an illegal "bribe"?

How many laws have been broken and alleged to be broken by this sect?
The TV station marriage immigration claims, labor law violations, election contribution violations, environmental violations, alleged money-transfer violations in Taiwan...a list of all of the violations made by this sect and their leader, its shocking.
Again, after all this, which is just the tip of the iceberg, no wonder the fearless leader Ching Hai has gone into hiding, to the point professional detective's can't track them down.
And it gets worse...

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[www.cnn.com]
"In Taiwan she reportedly has 300,000 followers. However, when the government closed down her headquarters (it had been constructed without a license), the sect produced a membership list of only 804 names."

"believers are not allowed to speak to outsiders without permission from above."

"Other religious leaders in Taiwan are barely polite. The secretary-general of the Taoist Association says he has information that she has bought up vast tracts of land in Cambodia."

"The Clinton money is nothing," she complains. "It's only $600,000, for God's sake!" Indeed, she says, "I'd forgotten all about it" until the press reported that the amount had been returned. And why shouldn't she help Clinton? "If I help a man who has some stress because of a flood, why would I not help a President who is stressed?" Says she: "If the American people would allow me, I would give him $2 million right now."
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A big thread here on Ching Hai

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"Well let’s see. She calls herself the Supreme Master and wrote a completely fictional autobiography that mentions nothing of her previous involvement with a violent cult; her meditation techniques are secret and only taught to initiates; psychologists and cult experts tell us the Ching Hai meditation techniques induce people into trace states where their higher reasoning skills break down and they become receptive to teachings; she refuses to directly answer questions about funding; spouses complain about the huge amount of money the member spouse sends to the organization; member wives are told by the organization they have lost their “sexual energy” and consequently refuse to have sex with their husbands; members are encouraged to leave non-believing families and dedicate themselves to new Ching Hai restaurants and other businesses; she lies about being invited to speak at universities and political institutions; she created funded two puppet groups in Taiwan to bestow “public” awards on her; she claims to sleep in plastic tents and preaches asceticism, but according to an active member (who apparently does not see the irony), she actually lives in a large, luxurious home, and it is her followers who sleep in pup tents in her yard. In fact there is no evidence she lives ascetically at all. She wears fancy clothes, has her own fashion and perfume lines, and enjoys associates with other aristocrats.

I think a little more than skepticism is warranted here. She is an obvious fraud and is scamming people out of their money and ruining many lives in the process."
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Its interesting that you bring that up. A couple of years ago, I think 3 or so, SMCH rolled out what she called "merit points" where by doing certain activities, one would gain more merit points for "liberation". It required some sort of impossible number of merit points to reach the elusive 5th level of enlightement. On it, watching SMTV for hours on end would generate a ton of points. Thy at one point even advocated leaving it on as background noise 24/7 to "clean" the impurities of this life. LOL. Now thinking of it, you are right, total information control. Gotta give it to here, she knows how to turn people into sheep and manupulate them. Too bad I deleted that email, it was pretty ridiculous on what the point system was like. You get a ton of points for opening a loving hut if I recall correctly.

Something wrong with the calculation of Merit points system. [wensonyeh.blogspot.com] and there’re a lot the same merits points list posted on initiates’ blogs.
In 2005, from Her letter, She said from 3rd to 5th level needs 8 billion points. However, the new merits points list says:. It needs total of 5 billion points to reach 4th level and total of 10000,000 billion points to reach 5th level (assuming from ground level). Even from 3rd to 4th level takes 5 billion points, you won’t need extra 9999,995 billion points to reach 5th level. That won’t be the Absolute Truth of Universe. She certainly just made up the whole merits points system to manipulate disciples.

Below is smch's letter in 2005

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Below is smch's letter in 2005

O_o this is really... enlightening!
Now I understand afterward some of the strange behaviors of my friend (still a disciple).

How do you manage to count and attest your points? In the diary?
Do some disciple cheat to jump to upper level?
Can you buy extra points?



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O_o this is really... enlightening!
Now I understand afterward some of the strange behaviors of my friend (still a disciple).

How do you manage to count and attest your points? In the diary?
Do some disciple cheat to jump to upper level?
Can you buy extra points?

Basically, SMCH just meterialized and quantified 'Blessings' & all actions, jobs, etc. to 'spiritual points', that's all. It's Her system. Doesn't mean it's the law of the universe, ok?
I thought your friend probably already know all the info shown on this thread and would decide to leave. I guess it's difficult to change one's faith.

True believers in these types of sects have a hard time changing the false-beliefs, and even absurd beliefs that have been engineered into their minds, by the Master-Guru.
That is because the Supreme Master understands the techniques to do this, and is using some extremely powerful techniques on people, which will be explained soon in this thread.

But many of those who have doubts, will read threads like this from their home, and once enough evidence builds up in their mind, they may just quietly quit the Ching Hai group.

But the main Ching Hai senior internet-people, are obviously aware of this thread, but have also obviously told their people to not post here.
But they do post in other areas.

Ching Hai true believers are probably not aware of most of the bad behavior of their Guru, or just rationalize it in some way. They would believe that the meat-mafia are after her, as opposed to Ching Hai leaving the country because the Feds wanted to talk with them about the Ching Hai illegal island.

And many Ching Hai followers will do as the Supreme Master orders, and not watch any other media than SMCH. So they are duped into only taking in information from Ching Hai, and once that happens, they are very vulnerable.

On top of this, Ching Hai is using some extremely powerful brainwashing tech on people, which will be explained soon.

If anyone has access to the recent and current Ching Hai material about 2012, posting "fair-use" excerpts of it in this thread would be very helpful.

Of course, Ching Hai is using fear and manipulation, to try and say and imply that all of the Arctic ice will melt by summer 2012, and then the end of the world is coming, we are all going to die unless we listen to Ching Hai, and do what Ching Hai tells us to, etc.
So of course, this is simply a mechanism for Ching Hai to use FEAR to gain more leverage and power over her followers. Fear works.

So any recent or current members, please consider reposting those emails and updates into this thread from Ching Hai, after any personal email addresses are removed.
Because this can get very serious for true believers in Ching Hai.

Many sects preach the end of the world is near, and use that as leverage. But since Ching Hai is calling for it in about the next year, this means she is going to really go to town with this 2012 end-of-the-world conspiracy theory.

Her followers may be influenced to donate more money to her by buying her junk, by even selling their homes and property.
In the mid 90's, Ching Hai was building caves and directing people to flee to Cambodia. [forum.culteducation.com]
It could get a lot more extreme with the 2012 mass hysteria, as 2012 hype has literally become an industry. [www.skepdic.com] There are entire bookshelves at some bookstores labeled 2012, as those books are selling.

So when some fringe sects take it even further, and start directing people to move to rural areas, sell all their possessions, hide out in caves, it can go over the edge quite easily. Especially when that sect, like Ching Hai, is skilled in using advanced persuasion techniques on their followers.

So it would be very useful, to get every single email being sent out by the Ching Hai org about 2012, and post excerpts here, under the "fair-use" of the material for educational research and study, which is what these types of forums are all about. Public education and academic research.

Ching Hai has been talking about 2012 for a long time, and she's not going to let this once in a lifetime opportunity for her slip by.
What can they do?
Convince followers to liquidate everything, and turn it over to the sect to try and save the world. This one 2012 event could give the Ching Hai org enough assets to sustain them for the rest of Ching Hai's life.

And when the world doesn't end in 2012, then Ching Hai will simply say it was because of the Supreme Masters supernatural divine efforts to save the world, so people must keep opening more Loving Huts, and following Ching Hai's orders.

So if every single mass communication by Ching Hai about 2012 makes it into this thread, then her techniques and patterns of fear-manipulation can be analyzed and explained in precise detail.



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There is another sect being researched called Desteni, which engages extensively in many types of Mind Control, like the Chang Hai sect.

And Desteni also engages in Food Control, using the bogus Blood-Type diet [forum.culteducation.com]

As stated virtually every sect uses some type of Food Control on their followers, as its another powerful way to control and regulate their behavior 3-5x a day, everyday.

Food-control is a window into mind-control, which is what give the sects leader the influence they have over their followers. Which is the real reason Ching Hai does it the way she does it, which will be explained soon.

And each sect uses Food Control in their own way.
Some might ban all sugar, or various food combinations. This way when a person breaks the rules of the diet, then they feel GUILT, SHAME, self-blame, and that is more failure of an unattainable goal.

Some New Thought sects do the opposite, and say you can eat anything, and all that matters is your THOUGHT when you eat. So according to the New Thoughters, you can eat Big Macs all day, and your mind can transmute that into healthy food. That is not hyperbole, that is what they think.
Ironically, Ching Hai supporter and Ching Hai internet marketer Will Tuttle seems to make his living speaking at Unity Churches [willtuttle.com] Well guess what? And Will Tuttle knows this of course. Unity Churches are New Thought, and they believe Mind is Supreme, so they don't believe in Veganism or Organic this or that. To the New Thought Unity believers, that is all bullshit, as all that counts is Mind. They believe you can eat anything.
As well, the Unity New Thoughters would be 100% opposed to Ching Hai's constant nonsense about 2012, the end of the world, as by thinking it, you are creating it.
So its just a big conflicting, confusing bunch of nonsense. And Will Tuttle doesn't care, as long as he seems to get his voluntary donations and gifts when speaking at Unity. (that is how they pay people there, giving money and buying your stuff).
So its all professional level mind-screwing.

Some extreme sects these days are taking it as far as the Breatharians, which is taking cultic Food Control to the extreme. This is where people will engage in LETHAL NON-EATING for days and weeks at a time. They will damage their internal organs, and either start eating or end up in the hospital, or end up dead.

In the case of the Desteni sect, the vulgar leader of that sect likes eating meat, so he promotes meat eating.
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"everyone will eat more meat". He states that vegetarianism is all about "making yourself better than others so that you can fuckin' judge them".
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The movie The Secret [forum.culteducation.com] was based on New Thought. In that movie, the skinny Rhonda Byrne puts forward the New Thought idea, that its not the food that matters, its your Consciousness about food.
Rhonda Byrne claims she can eat anything, and stay skinny, which of course is nonsense. If she was put into a lab, and then agreed to eat 5000 calories a day, she would gain about 1 lb a day.
But of course, these sects just use marketing to manipulate people, as they know that food/weight is a major issue for most people.

Rhonda Byrne even went as far as to say, you are not supposed to look at fat people [en.wikipedia.org] as that will influence your consciousness to be fat.
Now that sounds ridiculous, but Rhonda Byrne is actually technically correct in terms of New Thought, that is what they believe.

They also believe, those who suffer natural disasters attracted it. So according to New Thought, Ching Hai is creating the 2012 disaster, by her own constant thinking about it. (of course its all nonsense).

So Ching Hai is using a mish-mash of some of these ideas, modified in a way that makes even less sense.

But in the end, if something bad happens to you, then its your fault for not believing enough in Ching Hai.
If something bad does not happen, its because the Supreme Master stopped it from happening.
If something good happens, its because Ching Hai gave it to you as a gift, so buy a Ching Hai lamp for $2000, to say thank you.

But Ching Hai and The Secret and Rhonda Byrne both profess to believe in the insanity of the Breatharians, and that is the belief of Mind over Matter.
When people damage their internal organs, and get sick, or die from the Breatharian insanity/fraud, are these sect leaders going to be held responsible for their claims?
www.suprememastertv.com/breatharians/
Or have their Breatharian claims been carefully worded by their hired-suits, as to avoid them being held accountable for any injuries and deaths?