Its unfortunate that even the members of this thread seem to misinterpret what is being said about the Veganism!!
So one needs to be 100% clear.
For the record, of course there is nothing "wrong" with Veganism, as was said, its simply a personal choice about food. Every person makes their own personal choices in that area.
And there is no "attack" on SMCH for Veganism. In fact, that is what one would expect the followers of Ching Hai to say. They will probably distort the facts in their mind, and say that Ching Hai is being attacked for being a Vegan by the meat-mafia, or whatever.
Of course, this is FALSE. There is no one in any cult field, who would ever even think to comment about being a Vegan or Veggie, its NOT relevant at all.
Being a Vegan and Ching Hai's cult, have nothing to do with eachother in the general sense.
Yes, Ching Hai APPEARS to have been a Vegetarian for a long time.
but being a VEGAN appears to be recent for the sect.
Vegetarian and Vegan are different. [www.vegetarianvegan.com
Frankly, what Ching Hai 'says' cannot be trusted. There are already many many falsehoods from Ching Hai which have been exposed.
So when she says she is ______, the facts need to be proven, everytime.
One could make a list of the Lies of Ching Hai.
Now, in terms of cults and food.
Many cults use FOOD CONTROL as a way of getting into their followers lives, all day everyday. Frankly, what Ching Hai is doing with food, seems to be done for psychological-persuasion reasons primarily. [forum.culteducation.com
So take Veganism out of it, and just focus on the FOOD CONTROL aspect of cults. Ching Hai is using food as a psychological weapon.
And for real Vegans. They should be very very skeptical of the ingredients in the Ching Hai food, that is being shipped to her Loving Huts.
What is in that food? How is it monitored? How does anyone even know its organic or really Vegan?
Anyone who knows anything about Organic foods, and is honest, knows that unfortunately there is incredible amounts of fraud out there, where food is mislabeled by some scammer in the supply chain, simply to triple their profits.
So who is certifying every ingredient in the Ching Hai food that is being produced overseas?
And guys like Will Tuttle are very concerned about pollution. But how sustainable is it for Ching Hai to ship food all over the world to people in small units? That is a terrible waste.
It seems most real Vegans and folks like that eat local foods for that reason.
So it doesn't add up.
Just like Ching Hai claiming to be an environmentalist doesn't add up, with her using the alias Celestia De Lamour and then massively TRASHING the environment, and then disappearing when it got discovered by the Feds.
Any sane person will realize that Ching Hai aka Celestia De Lamour is obviously not an environmentalist! Its beyond and absurd joke.
Does an environmentalist build a massive aviary to imprison a bunch of exotic birds for her amusement? Its absolutely ludicrous.
Its the same with the Veganism, it doesn't add up, and VegNews put the pieces together on that.
In 2004, an artificial island and 330-foot (100 m) long boardwalk created in the Biscayne National Park cost $1 million USD to remove after being illegally constructed by Ching Hai, known locally as a wealthy property owner under the pseudonym Celestia De Lamour. National Park workers replanted between 400 and 500 mangrove trees in the area once covered by the illegal boardwalk. The private property owned by Ching Hai adjacent to the national park was seized by police and later sold at auction to the village of Palmetto Bay, which planned to establish a park on the site
Park removes access to illegal bay island
Biscayne National Park rips out an illegal boardwalk and replants mangroves, hoping to halt visits to a small man-made island.
..."County and federal investigators say the island and a curious hideaway -- including a large aviary, three motor homes and a sun deck -- were built by workers for the former owner of an adjacent property. They believe that owner, listed in Miami-Dade County property records as Celestia De Lamour, is better known as a religious sect leader named Ching Hai. ..
Federal agencies still hope to recoup costs from the landowner, but investigators say she and her workers have left the country. ...
Park service to eliminate island
MIAMI —The National Park Service is trying to recoup $1 million it is spending on eliminating a man-made island just off the coast of Miami-Dade County.
The tiny island in a remote area south of Miami, discovered a year ago, was built by piling rocks in Biscayne Bay National Park, the Miami Herald reported yesterday.
County officials said the island, which has an elaborate hideaway, is connected to the mainland by a boardwalk. They said it was built by Ching Hai, a Vietnamese-born woman who founded the Suma Ching Hai International Association, which says it has as many as 2 million members in 50 countries.
The park service said the island will be removed, but it will cost $1 million and officials have not been able to reach Miss Hai, also known as Celestia De Lamour, to discuss the issue.
...But they have learned enough to say she's even more colorful than the name on Miami-Dade property records -- Celestia De Lamour -- might suggest.
Federal and county sources who have done background checks on her say De Lamour is better known internationally as Ching Hai, or ''Supreme Master'' of a sect with a string of meditation centers and vegetarian restaurants...
Until last year, Ching Hai lived on and off in Miami for several years virtually unknown. Then in January 2003 a tip led inspectors from Miami-Dade's Department of Environmental Resources Management to an illegal construction on national park property just south of the Deering Estate off Old Cutler Road.
What they found: several tons of rock measuring 32 feet by 42 feet forming an island atop protected sea grass. And the island was growing. Workers were loading more boulders in a wheelbarrow when inspectors arrived...
Until the discovery, records show De Lamour, under a variety of spellings, owned a considerable amount of pricey Florida real estate, including 34 undeveloped acres in New Port Richey and a handful of properties in Miami-Dade. Most of it was waterfront, fitting for a leader whose name in Mandarin loosely translates to ''blue sea.''
She lived on and off at two Venetian Isles bayfront homes, where she bemused neighbors before moving out, seemingly overnight, about six months ago. Records show both homes have since changed hands.
Detectives, court records show, made repeated efforts to contact De Lamour or representatives at other homes and mailing addresses. Most of the time, no one answered. Workers who did shrugged off questions. No one representing De Lamour ever made a call or wrote a letter about the county's property seizure.
''It appeared very secretive,'' said Robert Fiallo, a Miami-Dade police attorney. ''Nobody knew anything.''
Federal prosecutors also indicted Teng Kun Hsu, a laborer who directed the work, on pollution and destruction of federal property charges. But he never showed up in court, records show, and was declared a fugitive on Sept. 15.
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