"Happy and I'm smiling
Walk a mile to drink your water
You know I'd love to love you
And above you there's no other
We'll go walking out
While others shout of war's disaster
Oh, we won't give in
Let's go living in the past
Once I used to join in
Every boy and girl was my friend
Now there's revolution, but they don't know
What they're fighting
Let us close our eyes
Outside their lives go on much faster
Oh, we won't give in
We'll keep living in the past
Oh, we won't give in
Let's go living in the past
Oh no, no we won't give in
Let's go living in the past..."

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Once, in the spring or summer of 1994, I was in a class that Tamal Krishna Maharaja was giving. He told a story that I thought was quite nice, and which I remembered. It was about a little boy who saved his allowance money all year long to buy his father a tie for Christmas, who in his naive little-boy mind did not think to himself that his father has a closet full of ties, and that the allowance money his father had been giving him all year long was simply returning to the father, in a different form. Years later I was reading "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis, and came across the "sixpence to the good on the transaction" passage in that book. Then I thought to myself "Say, I've heard this story before." In other words, TKG told the exact same story that C.S. Lewis told in "Mere Christianity," but he "Hare Krishna-ized" it. I don't recall if TKG mentioned the name of C.S. Lewis or not, in that class I was attending in the summer of 1994. But I remembered the story, and recognized it when I was reading C.S. Lewis years later. I wish I could find a recording or a transcript of that class, too. I am not saying that TKG presented C.S. Lewis' ideas as his own, but I am saying that I remember him using a story from "Mere Christianity" and I do not remember him mentioning C.S. Lewis. Maybe he did, though.

Speaking of citations... :-)

Hey XKRISHNA,

I did a very quick scroll of this thread regarding CB's inimitable way of treating his disciples.

Check out page 64 and scroll a few posts down to a post by I think it's "quotesman" and there are some examples. These continue in the ensuing posts.

Actually the whole thread is chock full of his terrible treatment of devotees.

I myself heard him say on a lecture tape: My disciples are all assholes." This was not uncommon. It was his demeanor.

Namaste

Thank you; I'll look at that right away.

quotesman Wrote:
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> Cult I am rolling on the floor after seeing your
> latest poster, ‘Hey Kids Cults can be fun’. Ha ha
> ha.
>
> [science-of-identity.blogspot.com]
>
>
> Famous Chris Butler quotes, maybe you can use them
> for your online guru service:
>
> “ You are all demons, you are just like f###king
> ISCON, Your all condemned!!!”
>
> “I am not condemning you, you are condemning
> g yourself.”
>
> “My Godbrothers in Iskcon are clumps of dog
> stool.”
>
> “ If I don’t want to answer you, you are at fault
> not me.”
>
> “If you don’t know you are not supposed to know.”
>
> “Tell that a-hole the only way he can come to a
> gathering is if he pays 100 dollars each time.”
>
> “Tell a-hole I changed my mind, he has to pay
> 1,000 dollars every gathering he comes to.”
>
> “As soon as you realize you have nothing to offer
> me and you don’t know anything maybe then I can
> teach you something.”
>
> “It is your fault, the guru is faultless.”
>
> “My disciples make me sick.”
>
> “You would think with 25 kitchen servants and 35
> preparations a day, spending over a hundred
> dollars a meal, you a##holes could make something
> good to eat. Instead I have to go to a Chinese
> restaurant to get a bite to eat. A-holes!!!”
>
> “You fool don’t say the metal detectors are to
> detect guns, say they are to detect beeper
> watches, you know what a great offense it is to
> wear one near me. Oh I am so irritated by that
> sound!!!”
>
> “Damn it keep your gun in your bead bag. That’s
> what it is for idiot!! You probably thought you
> were supposed to keep beads in that bag. Fool!!! I
> have to teach you guys everything!!!”
>
> “WTF is a##hole doing here, tell him to get the
> f##k out of here.”
>
> “Tell J--- I don’t want to see his face, but
> because I have to talk to him and deal with him,
> he can wear a bag over his head, then I don’t have
> to see his face.”
>
> “I am more humble than anyone, even my own guru.”
>
> “Damn bogus guru! They all have guruitis.”
>
> “My disciples all have guruitis too!!!”
>
>
> “My disciples are all f###king neophytes.”
>
> “Everyone has guruitis but me and VD.”
>
> “Insulting VD is worse than insulting me you
> idiot.”
>
> “Are those a-holes still running that store in
> Lahaina, why don’t they give it to DTE, a-holes---
> and they call themselves my disciples make all
> kinds of money while their kids skate and surf,
> a-holes, they should give it to me.”
>
> “WTF!!!!.. you guys have been working on getting
> this house together for 6 weeks now. You expect me
> to live here after you shit all over it??? You
> missed a space there dumb shit, cover it with tin
> foil so I can live here in peace. Straighten out
> your germ mask idiot.”
>
> “Tell Sankirtan das to stay out of my house, he
> has dirt between his toes.”
>
> “Tell Wayne and Krishna das, WTF, I let them get
> into politics and now they act just like
> politicians!!!! They became politicians those
> buttheads!!”
>
> ‘ I let my disciples dress like karmis and
> materialist and now they act like karmis and
> materialists, a-holes.”
>
> “Call the head of personal service, everyone fast
> for 6 months, the milk in the refregerator is out
> of date. Call a meeting world wide. Tell the head
> of personal service to get her ass here right
> now!! WTF is this hair doing in my soup gaddamit.
> Tell everyone fast for a year, six months is too
> lenient. Tell the head of personal service not
> only must she fast from food and water she has to
> fast from sleep too!!!”
> Get that sh###t out of here, you call that
> prasadam, a-holes!!!” Everyone is fined 1,000
> dollars each.!!!”
>
> “ You spend a fuggen 100,000 dollars on this air
> machine and I still have to use an oxygen bottle,
> can’t you guys do anything right??”
>
> “What you expect me to breath common air??
> A-holes!!”
>
> “What? Just because you come here and clean my
> floor and wash my dishes, eat my toenails and
> drink my footwater you think you have the right to
> talk to me, write me a letter a-hole.”
>
> “The only person I can trust is VD.”
>
> “The guru is never attached to the opposite sex.”
>
> “Where is VD, I have not seen her in the last 10
> minutes.”
>
> “What you think I spend all my time with my wife
> because I am attached? A-hole this is pure
> devotional service, me and VD will serve together
> in the spiritual world too you envious snake!!”
>
>
> The pure devotee is peaceful and does not need
> anything or anyones service, he has Krsna.”
>
> The pure devotee is self satisfied, always
> peaceful and never troubled by the duality of the
> world.”
>
> “The servant of Krishna has no enemies.”
>
> “What is that A-hole doing here, I told him get
> the hell out of Hawaii and go back to New
> Zealand.”
>
> “Ok you can take off the bag now, I think you
> learned your lesson.”
> :) :) :) :) :shock: :shock: :shock:
> : :shock:

Good Lord. And let's not forget Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and "faggots," either.

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Good Lord. I see that. And let's not forget Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and "faggots," either.

[iowainformer.com]

What a total nut, this Butler.



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“I am more humble than anyone, even my own guru.”

Yeah, I'm sure Chris Butler is very proud of how humble he is. Much like Dave McKay.

Yeah I'm not sure if every one of those quotes is exact, paraphrased, or simply symbolic of his attitude in many private interactions with people on-site, in letters, audio/video etc. But it sums up what we all constantly felt in his presence.

There's discipline and chastisement and strong instructions, then there is being an asshole and tyrant.

People stay with this man not out of a deep love for guru, but out of fear.

There are babajis who live humbly in a hut, rejecting a need to make followers and support themselves on the backs of others for telling them they are a spirit soul,not a body. It perverts and distorts when it grows beyond that.

Preaching, proselytizing, and orders like sanyasa are largely an invention of contemporary hare krishnas.

Sanyas was a Shankara order that begged door to door. They lived together and meditated for long hours, ate nothing, and put up no flyers.

They firmly believed in karma. And if someone's karma was to run into them and heed thier words, that was the extent of any outreach efforts.

Sanyasis also debated. Frequently. Modern sanyasis live in thier FB friends group and parrot thier gurus words for likes.

They eat good, live well, and never fret about thier survival. They are soft garbage men.

Bhaktisiddhanta was willing to serve meat at his temples to attract people. Them some car salesman tactics if I ever heard any. I don't have anything personally against meat eating, but considering the cult rather build goshalas and spend money on housing and feeding cattle as more important than a homeless shelter, I gather eating meat rubs them the wrong way.

Once bhaktivednata made his books, set up temples and ashram communities, preaching was less important. Hitting the airport up for donations to support the whole contraption was top tier "service".

Seva is a funny thing. It can almost be whatever you want as long as it's important to the guru and by proxies krishna.

After 40 to 50 years it amounts to a virtue signaling Christian style faith. Shoot, you'd be hard pressed finding even old prabhupada disciples who don't smoke ganja. Yoy know, cuz Shiva did it and he the best devotee.

Of course, only the small hate krishna faith has reduced every other faiths God to lesser than thier own blue playboy. Sound familiar?

RUN.

XKRISHNA Wrote:
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> Good Lord. I see that. And let's not forget
> Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and "faggots,"
> either.
>
> [iowainformer.com]

In the available transcripts of 1000 lectures, the following words are mentioned n times:
- "shit" - 449
- "faggot" - 118
- "fuck*" - 289
- "fucking" - 165
- "bitch" - 52
- "asshole" - 33