Culthusiast Wrote:
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> XKRISHNA Wrote:
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> > Good Lord. I see that. And let's not forget
> > Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and
> "faggots,"
> > either.
> >
> >
> [iowainformer.com]
>
> In the available transcripts of 1000 lectures, the
> following words are mentioned n times:
> - "shit" - 449
> - "faggot" - 118
> - "fuck*" - 289
> - "fucking" - 165
> - "bitch" - 52
> - "asshole" - 33

Thank you for this. How about the words "idiot" and "idiots", please?

idiot* - 117
idiots - 67
aids - 111 (whole words)
homosexual - 285



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Wow, thank you. Can you please show us some examples of an "idiot" or "idiots" quote, friend?

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She doesn't want it. She's ducking. What an idiot. Somebody's got to teach Jaya Radhe dasi how this works. She just ducked from a cookie. (Laughter) Still hasn't got it, "Why is Srila Prabhupad always throwing things at people? He's such a nice person. (Laughter) And we just sang all these nice songs and everything in front of him. Now he is throwing things at us." But you can't eat that now.

"VYASAPUJA 2003" Date of Lecture: 13 June, 22 June 2003 Tape ID Number: A111A3

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Total fucking idiots graduate from high school, you know, here, can't even read. They can't even read. I mean, they think Siddha das can't read. He can read. These guys can't read. They look at a stop sign and they go, "What's this say?" They can't find an address, they can't count their change. They go to fill out a form in a doctor's office or something, they don't know if they have the thing right side up or upside down. Yeah, serious. They graduated from high school.

"SRILA PRABHUPAD TALKING TO BRAHMACARIS" Date of lecture: 15 August 1990
Tape ID number: SPA 9030/S74A2

Do Chris Butler's disciples call him "Srila Prabhupad"?

XKRISHNA Wrote:
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> Do Chris Butler's disciples call him "Srila
> Prabhupad"?

Yes.

Some other important quotes:

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Because, you see, Lord Chaitanya's teaching's really very simple and doesn't have anything to do with all these kinds of politics. Once you get into an ecclesiastical situation whether it's in a Catholic Church situation like the Pope, the bishops - you know that whole scene ______________? It's like they have an election and it's like somehow these people get together and they decide that you are the representative of God, you know? Then you become the head of that ecclesiastical system. But it's all politics, you know, it's like, "Oh yeah, we're going to... Who's going to be elected? And Italian this time? Oh, the Italians are taking over," you know? It's like a... it's all politics. If you actually talk to these people, they're not really seeing the spiritual, they're seeing political. "Oh, yeah, his views are too conservative. We want a more liberal pope next time. Fits in better with modern society." All politics: who you know, how many... you know, and currying favour and going around to the bishops and cardinals and hoping that you'll get elected pope. AAARRRHHHHH!!!!!!! (laughter) Who wants to be a fucking pope! Give me a break! "Let me down, I want off the chair! I want off! I want off the chair! Hey! Let me down! Shit! (laughter) Give the golden throne to somebody else. Shit, man - give me a break. I'm going surfing." (laughter) It's terrible.

Who wants to be a "jagad guru"...

"BEWARE OF DEMONS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES (PART TWO) "
Date of Lecture: 2 November 1993
Tape ID number: SPA 9331/M88A3

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It is a big deal because you've just destroyed your spiritual life. You've just cut your relationship with Krishna off. And it doesn't matter how much you fucking chant Krishna's Names. You can do nothing about it. Because I can tell you this now, that if you destroy in this way the spiritual potential by planting these seeds of perversion in a little child, you're finished. You're finished! It doesn't matter how much you chant! Krishna doesn't see you. You'll taste no nectar at all from His Names. Nothing. Better the honest person who will openly go to the strip joint. Better the openly... the guy who's openly doing drugs rather than posing as a devotee and destroying the lives of their children.

CABLE, INTERNET & PORNOGRAPHY - DON'T LET MAYA GET YOU
Date of Lecture: 7 April 2002
Tape ID number: S132A3

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Generally speaking we don't associate with these people at all. Why? They may be a bad influence on you or they may be blasphemous, but there is another reason and that is that we don't want to fight with them. The only reason I haven't had people in Iskcon after me the last few years is because my disciples have not been going there and telling them the truth directly. You see? And as soon as you start doing that then I have to start having more hassles with bodyguards and being very careful about where I go and this and that. And I hate it. I hate it. It's a drag living like the fucking president or something, okay? But if this person... does she still associate with these so-called Iskcon people? If she is sincere then the Paramatma will be telling her in her heart, "No!" You see? If she is sincere, then how is that she is still associating with people who teach something which is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Lord Chaitanya and to the acharyas? How is it possible? That is how you tell whether someone is sincere or not. So tell them the truth, if they keep associating with those people, then you know they are not sincere. Why bother? Has this person never heard the possibility that these people are rascals and blasphemers, that these people in fact are diametrically opposed to Krishna, that they are the enemies of Krishna? Hasn't anyone ever told her that possibility? Have you ever told her that that may be a possibility, or give her a Haribol Special or anything like that?

Gaudiya tradition - a temple has a president, asecretary and a treasurer.

THE IMPORTANCE OF CONGREGATIONAL CHANTING IN GOOD ASSOCIATION/
PARAMATMA LEADS THE SINCERE TO GURU
Date of lecture: September 24, 1989
Tape ID number: S62A3



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It's as if Howard Hughes got religion and started styling himself as a guru. What an eccentric and demented man Chris Butler is. Thank you for these quotes, Culthusiast.

Butler made us all so paranoid of iskcon that if an iskcon devotee saw us and somehow or other deciphered that we are devotees, and said "haribol!" Or "hare krishna!" to us we would literally scowl and ignore them and look the other way.

Butler had a tendency to just lump everything into dualistic groups. He never bothered to try to understand that many different types of people join iskcon and that most of the devotees in iskcon who didn't necessarily adhere to or follow the GBC or any of their gurus, are just devotees. Butler's definition of sincerity was that everyone should leave iskcon and follow him.

Ironically, as much as Butler was seemingly opposed to politics, he didn't have too big of a problem accepting massive donations and pushing his disciples to vote for his disciple Tulsi gabbard. In fact, ironically Butler even had his disciples approach iskcon, the gaudiya math and other krishna groups to try to get political support for her.

Butler's full rhetoric and style of teaching was not one of trying to find any commonality, synergy, Harmony or balance with other groups. In fact, in all honesty starting from Bhaktisiddhanta,the mood is largely one of arrogant intolerance and faulting of others who don't conform to thier agenda. And it is an agenda. It's asking people to wholesale accept the social-relgious equivalent of mormonism with little to back it up but fanaticism.

How can one not listen to or read through the above transcripted lectures, be they private or public, and not see a completely fanatical cult leader?

RUN.

XKRISHNA Wrote:
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> It's as if Howard Hughes got religion and started
> styling himself as a guru. What an eccentric and
> demented man Chris Butler is. Thank you for these
> quotes, Culthusiast.

You're welcome. By the way, it is worth having people do such research and evaluate it themselves. Another aspect of the matter is the stupidity of messing with sect secretaries or their computer assistants - since at some stage copies of lectures and transcripts or correspondence were created.

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> How can one not listen to or read through the
> above transcripted lectures, be they private or
> public, and not see a completely fanatical cult
> leader?

It is worth doing more detailed research. For example, a cross-section of words accompanying "fucking" in phrases or expressions.

> RUN.

Or "walk away" - some remake of this kind:
[www.youtube.com]

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> How can one not listen to or read through the
> above transcripted lectures, be they private or
> public, and not see a completely fanatical cult
> leader?

Only somebody who is thoroughly psychologically conditioned and heavily invested, or else of very low intelligence, could not see that. In my opinion.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2023 02:23AM by XKRISHNA.