IanKoviak Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
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In what year was your mother sent to Poland to set up centers? How long was she involved in SIF at that time? 1 year? 2 years? What role did Vishnu das play and what did Tapasya das in beliefs of Your Mother? What year was that? Dates matter.
People ask, could you and how often telephone to your parents or write / receive letters?
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> The fact that Butler made it clear to his polish
> followers early on that he was somehow
> dissatisfied with his Western disciples and
> followers is a Hallmark of Mind Control. He's
> creating a division people. Never mind that all of
> his Western followers slaved away for years for
> him and were subjected to all sorts of nonsense
> hypocritical lectures and anger rant and how to
> always live in fear of Butler's displeasure with
> them. Disinfect creates and unnecessary hierarchy
> and superiority complex in the new followers in
> Poland. They immediately feel that is their
> responsibility to become even better servants and
> followers of butlers, because his Western
> followers somehow failed him.
It created some confusion in me. Feeling guilty. Maybe disturbed sense of value. For some reason I went forward with engagement.
However, if we are talking about devotees in Poland, we must distinguish their different generations. There were pioneers of SIF in Poland that I don't associate. Then there was Vishnu das and Tapasya das. There was already a generation of "initiated", "serious" ones. Then a generation of younger "initiates" appeared. When it comes to mentality, there were many different personalities, often very nice, and it should be emphasized that many activities went beyond typical cult activities - cooking food, sweets or questioning at the charity event "WOSP", feeding the homeless (implemented for at least 15 years) and many others.
IanKoviak Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> The fact is, that the opposite happens. Butler
> failed his Western disciples and created an
> unsustainable spiritual conundrum for them. He
> expose them two years of high stress and pressure
> and anxiety took them away from their families and
> created all sorts of unnecessary and completely
> avoidable Discord between his followers and then
> tells his new polish recruits that they are now
> pressured to become better Servants of his.
It was strange. But at the same time, it wasn't a problem for Happy Man. At one point I noticed that one of the outstanding leaders is engaged in expanding the mission in the Baltic States. I was already worried that it would end badly. It ended badly. Interestingly, Happy Man didn't stop that person. Full commitment, expected burnout or return to material reality without qualifications. No support from a spouse that this person did not have. At some point I was sure that the events confirmed my feelings - something is wrong here.
IanKoviak Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> Nobody has ever reached out to me because I have
> always used my real legal name and I've spoken the
> truth about them and they are afraid because they
> know that if they fuck with me I will sue their
> entire organization for destroying my childhood
> and covering years worth of Psychopathic and
> narcissistic dictates a butler to his disciples
> which is slowly coming to the Forefront. Many EX
> devotees of his we have collected years worth of
> lecture tapes and transcripts I have proof.
You scan evidence, make copies, describe, secure copies with friends.Words were said that war does not change anything. But denial does not change anything either.
IanKoviak Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> I would
> reveal the many underhanded ways that Butler has
> influenced his disciples to do Shady things like
> infiltrating our political and voting systems in
> America by having his disciples from all over the
> world create misinformation and support for a
> candidate that has nothing to do with their
> countries legislative and government systems. I
> would expose that they operated illegal schools in
> Asia where children were subjected to
> unnecessarily harsh conditions, sleep deprivation
> and all sorts of subpar and Misguiding educational
> propaganda and indoctrination into the servitude
> Ivy completely sick man.
He is/was not alone. Quit nice bunch of people around. As the documents I linked show, from the very beginning when they moved to ISKCON, there was a group of more trusted people around Siddhaswarupananda.
Of course, everything was accompanied by forms of creation. The question is how conscious. And yet Guru is to be self-effulgent.
A simple example for today's Facebook times:
Various entries from devotees appear. If the entries have a photo of Siddhaswarupananda with its original words and teachings, that's ok. However, there are verses from the Bhagavad Gita with an accompanying photo. This is the creation in this case.
Another matter regarding illness. I have been informed that Siddhaswarupananda was being treated psychiatrically but no evidence was provided. If we consider that the traditional character of the guru-student relationship of "tadana" and "lalana" is not preserved, it is hardly surprising that the consequences of hard discipline can end up with unpleasant consequences.
Hence my question - if he was treated with 1st generation neuroleptics, a number of effects described here can be attributed to side effects.
IanKoviak Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> But to answer your question whether anybody from
> this group has ever reached out to apologize or
> explain themselves or even discuss in a sane, non
> fanatical manner what they have done, the answer
> is no. In the beginning years of trying to
> understand what happened to me has a use, I did
> Reach Out too many of my old friends to be
> confronted with complete radio silence. Of course
> we all know that his devotees are instructed not
> to engage with journalists, so-called Outsiders, x
> members and anyone who poses a threat.
From what you said after starting the blog, Allan Tibby "Acharya das" contacted you.It is sad, symptomatic, but it also sets a precedent and is educational - what had to happen if simple "sorry" was lacking.
I am not surprised that your contact has been lost. In Poland it looked different. A number of former members had contact with each other. However, the lowest level sheep could be friends with each other, and even if they broke the rules of rigor, they worked later.
In Poland also happened something more - to the extent that I got to know them a little. Years after decentralization, another significant change occurred around 2016/2017 when apparently among the "upper layer member of decentralized SIF Poland" a group of "revolutionaries" appeared (initiates also). Apparently there was an "even hostile" confrontation of the vision of mood and action between "old faith" and "revolutionaries". However, what is important, even "the revolutionaries" have admitted that getting an apology from the "old faith" will be difficult if it is an irrational expectation at all.
It sounds strange considering the presence of Happy Man. In practice - in the psychological sense - the little sheep was in at losing position wanting to complain about being hurt by "an initiated" to Happy Man.
Edited 12 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2020 03:55AM by DaWatcher.