Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: March 11, 2020 02:50PM
Butler is in the same line as his spiritual Master. His spiritual Master had no problem with arranging marriages and there are many within his organization. In Butler's organization, I am not aware of any specifics on arranged marriages. But obviously due to the nature of the cult mentality, most members would not ever even conceive of having a spouse who is not a fellow cult member. It would almost be offensive, if not specifically stated as such by Butler.
As far as Shiva worshipers smoking marijuana, this is actually not correct. There may be some certain sects who smoke marijuana, but in general those who are true Shiva worshippers do not intoxicate. Not to mention, the highest concentration of Shiva worshippers is in India, and it's illegal to use marijuana in India or manufacturer it. I know this because I have a friend who has been spending the last four years in jail in India for manufacturing marijuana products to help people who are dying of cancer. On the order of his Guru.
Patrick bowler was just another of the typical type of people and disciples that Butler attracted: drug dealers, addicts, crooked politicians, thugs, and weak vulnerable people. I don't think Butler had absolutely any problem taking his money. In fact, he did so very greedily and continues to do so now that Patrick is back in the fold.
And as you see Dewatcher, this man Butler and his dedicated disciples exert control and have influence over something as individualistic as starting a family. They have full control over something as individualistic as what school and type of education their children should receive. And it keeps going down the rabbit hole as they have control and influence over your core belief systems, what constitutes a spiritual life, what is allowed and not allowed based on various rules and regulations that are often completely nonsensical and unecessary and cause unneeded distress and further immobilize people's critical thinking skills.
How many of butlers various followers around the world have any business getting involved in u.s. voting and politics? Yet they are. On the orders of their grew, regardless if they are from the Philippines, New Zealand, Australia, Poland and numerous other places that have no reason to be influencing our political process in this country are getting involved in supporting Tulsi gabbard. Many of those people have absolutely no political knowledge or understanding but are simply doing it on complete Blind Faith in there guru and God as a source of some sort of magical guidance and inspiration for making the right choices in life. Never mind the man's past, his crooked dealings, his illegal schools for children, his hatred towards various minorities including his own God Brothers, and followers expressed in many lectures that I have had to sit through as well as many others.
People like a quick solution to Life's problems, and butlers message in his Pleasant jagat Guru speaks videos and naive chanting gives people that false sense of hope. Once they are hooked on the pleasant-sounding ideas, they never bother to further study the scriptures with any sort of rigor, try to understand the history and evolution of the spiritual tradition or even the guru who's pedaling the garbage. And once they have invested literally half their life in following this person, it's virtually impossible to extricate yourself in a way that doesn't lead to further potential harm on many levels.
You have to be extremely vulnerable, on drugs are coming off of drugs, or simply missing a few screws or previously religious to look at the puranic works, the hodge podge stories, Methods, rituals and ideas and think that it's something that could result in meaningful results. Even the basic concepts of so-called self-realization as expressed in such ideas as Spirit Soul, Karma and reincarnation are theories at best and very detrimental to living a normal life at worst. Living my life as a child always telling myself that I wasn't my body and that my body was temporary and it didn't matter and that all my senses simply results in pain and suffering and dwelling on Karma and reincarnation had absolutely zero functional use in my real tangible life. Unless you consider fear-mongering a good method.
It has been scientifically shown that dancing and chanting and communal activities and eating together Etc have a positive effect on one's brain and sense of well-being. It is not some kind of magical Mantra that is creating some sort of sense of fulfillment. The repetition of various phrases, as well as music is known scientifically to have a hypnotic and pleasant effect. This is likely due to the fact that prehistoric humans would hum and chant to their babies to keep them calm. And this has been passed down for millions of years. And this is not even to mention that many of the concepts that this group believes in stemmed from a time when we had no scientific knowledge of how the world works, how the brain works, and how the mind works. And that bygone age Sage's one through all sorts of efforts to give substance in meaning to life as we know it. Some of the things that they came up with we're certainly profound and interesting and worthy of further scrutiny and we've done so in this day and age. The end result was that mindfulness, yoga in terms of stretching and so forth and possibly breathwork has some positive qualities.
Certainly there was a time on Earth prior to human beings and as early human beings started to evolve on the surface of the Earth in varying degrees of complexity they had no access to language in the classic sense of what that means to us as modern humans. In essence they had no access to passing down any sorts of philosophy or sacred knowledge. As language evolved, man's brain involved, and then philosophies eventually evolved. So are we to understand that all people prior to the Advent of language, prior to the Advent of the worship of a Krishna God and so forth had been born and died in vain? Are we to understand that majority of the planet except for India and only up until the last 3 to 400 years was somehow specifically blessed and graced with the ability to have a connection with a one true God? This is the part where devotees start talking about Karma and reincarnation and all sorts of other convoluted theories in attempt to explain the problem of evil and so forth. The devotees paint an exaggerated picture of a world that is filled with suffering at every step lest we start chanting and dancing and worshiping Butler. The superb naivety of this message is of course lost on them completely. Not just lost, but never questioned lest they be damned to continual repeated birth and death and a vein existence created by their own God. I prefer to appreciate and be grateful for the advances Humanity has made in an assortment of ways to better The Human Condition. It's not perfect, but it likely will never be. Acknowledgement and acceptance of that Grand Step for Humanity.
There are many Pious and saintly persons who are abounding on the planet who has a very simple message of pluralism intolerance and acceptance and progress. Perhaps Butler had a fantasy to be a part of that at some point. But somewhere along the line over the years, he be claimed a reclusive and paranoid an angry person. I'm of the general feeling that no one person should ever be looked at as a source of complete knowledge. I don't think nature intended it and if there is a God, I certainly don't think that God intended it. Butler's effect and teachings to his disciples is not of that caliber. Calling oneself are Universal teacher to all is not humility I'm not in accordance with how the world functions. In a very observable intangible way this is just not something that holds any water.