Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
VoxVeritasVita Das
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Date: July 25, 2019 03:09AM
Honeybear the "Let Us Reason" article is quite informative. Thank you for posting.
Quote: "I have talked with Mike on the phone and in person in the past at some length about his beliefs, so my conclusion does not come from any secondary source or misinformation. I do believe he is a nice person who sincerely believes in his cause. But that really has nothing to do with what this article is about. There appears to be a religious aspect to his cause.
Gabbard has been accepted as a Christian activist, because he holds the same stand against homosexuality that Christians do. But he is not coming from a Christian perspective at all. Mike Gabbard has long been involved in what is called Science of Identity under a guru Chris Butler, aka Jagad guru which runs the Science of Identity (formerly Mantra Meditation of Hawaii). They are an offshoot from Hare Krishna they were Formerly called the Holy Name Foundation. They teach meditation, Bhakti Yoga. Butler, claims thousands of followers, this includes the Gabbard’s.
Jagad Guru says in an article on homosexuality that the process of Bhakti yoga in the spiritual life is the only path to actual freedom and happiness. In discussing this with Gabbard I was told that Bhakti Yoga is the solution to set people free from all sexual abuses whether homosexual or fornicators. The disease we have is that we want to be enjoyers of this world (the disease is not sin). The reason for this is view that both he and his wife are devotees of Chris Butler, known as Jagad Guru (Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa), a guru of the Hindu god Krishna.
In a conversation I had with Gabbard he denies Jesus is the only true God manifest in the flesh, and believes that God has appeared in different incarnations. That his gurus information is coming from God himself and that he learns the Bible through his spiritual master. That he could learn nothing about Jesus Christ through me (or any Christian for that matter). He is entitled to his opinion, and we are also. I happen to disagree with this view and this is why I'm writing this.
Many may be under the impression Gabbard is Christian but if one presses further into what he actually believes they will find this is not Christian teaching. Unfortunately, we have open our doors to someone standing for a cause that is the same as the church but are unaware of what else he also believes.
Gabbard has also been honored along with others by Reverend Sun Myung Moon, a cult leader who is a self proclaimed “Messiah” that thinks he replaced Jesus, (Moon’s “We Shall Stand” gathering on Oahu) Star bulletin Sunday, April 15, 2001 [www.wewillstand.org] (article can still be found in the archives)
Gabbard accepting an award from this false Messiah, especially who claims he is replaced Jesus at this time because Jesus failed in his mission is not the main concern. Gabbard’s association and training under Jagad guru should be more of a concern for any Christian. End quote.
[www.letusreason.org]
I would like to add, Gabbard's INFLUENCE (and by extension Butler's) should be of paramount concern to all Americans, not just Christians. These two have meddled for decades in politics and now have produced the latest political puppet, Tulsi Gabbard.
Quote: "I have talked with Mike on the phone and in person in the past at some length about his beliefs, so my conclusion does not come from any secondary source or misinformation. I do believe he is a nice person who sincerely believes in his cause. But that really has nothing to do with what this article is about. There appears to be a religious aspect to his cause.
Gabbard has been accepted as a Christian activist, because he holds the same stand against homosexuality that Christians do. But he is not coming from a Christian perspective at all. Mike Gabbard has long been involved in what is called Science of Identity under a guru Chris Butler, aka Jagad guru which runs the Science of Identity (formerly Mantra Meditation of Hawaii). They are an offshoot from Hare Krishna they were Formerly called the Holy Name Foundation. They teach meditation, Bhakti Yoga. Butler, claims thousands of followers, this includes the Gabbard’s.
Jagad Guru says in an article on homosexuality that the process of Bhakti yoga in the spiritual life is the only path to actual freedom and happiness. In discussing this with Gabbard I was told that Bhakti Yoga is the solution to set people free from all sexual abuses whether homosexual or fornicators. The disease we have is that we want to be enjoyers of this world (the disease is not sin). The reason for this is view that both he and his wife are devotees of Chris Butler, known as Jagad Guru (Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa), a guru of the Hindu god Krishna.
In a conversation I had with Gabbard he denies Jesus is the only true God manifest in the flesh, and believes that God has appeared in different incarnations. That his gurus information is coming from God himself and that he learns the Bible through his spiritual master. That he could learn nothing about Jesus Christ through me (or any Christian for that matter). He is entitled to his opinion, and we are also. I happen to disagree with this view and this is why I'm writing this.
Many may be under the impression Gabbard is Christian but if one presses further into what he actually believes they will find this is not Christian teaching. Unfortunately, we have open our doors to someone standing for a cause that is the same as the church but are unaware of what else he also believes.
Gabbard has also been honored along with others by Reverend Sun Myung Moon, a cult leader who is a self proclaimed “Messiah” that thinks he replaced Jesus, (Moon’s “We Shall Stand” gathering on Oahu) Star bulletin Sunday, April 15, 2001 [www.wewillstand.org] (article can still be found in the archives)
[www.letusreason.org]
I would like to add, Gabbard's INFLUENCE (and by extension Butler's) should be of paramount concern to all Americans, not just Christians. These two have meddled for decades in politics and now have produced the latest political puppet, Tulsi Gabbard.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
honeybear
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Date: July 25, 2019 08:24AM
LOL.I know there is a whole lot more than meets they eye. I agree with you! Not, it is not normal behavior (and having a forensic psychology degree) def. psychotic and narcissistic. My guess is the drugs had a part to play in that as well. Recent pictures that I have seen of him are not pretty at all. Those things are finally catching up to him.
The shouting out of negative rant and raves is usually indicative of turrets, possibly some kind of identity issue (after all he proclaimed himself some sort of professional something at the age of 20) Political Move? Yeah, I think so because take a look at who he was trying to replace. When that did not work out, Butler wound up paying a bunch of money to appease his eastern nation allies.
I really don't want to get into the fundamental attribution error, but more than likely, there are causes not related to his younger years causing him to act this way.
Anyhew,
I don't know. I was trying to think of something clever to say, but nothing came to mind, so I will say have a blessed day everyone!
The shouting out of negative rant and raves is usually indicative of turrets, possibly some kind of identity issue (after all he proclaimed himself some sort of professional something at the age of 20) Political Move? Yeah, I think so because take a look at who he was trying to replace. When that did not work out, Butler wound up paying a bunch of money to appease his eastern nation allies.
I really don't want to get into the fundamental attribution error, but more than likely, there are causes not related to his younger years causing him to act this way.
Anyhew,
I don't know. I was trying to think of something clever to say, but nothing came to mind, so I will say have a blessed day everyone!
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
honeybear
()
Date: July 25, 2019 08:32PM
VoxVeritasVita Das ()
I should have posted the whole article to the board. I apologize for that, and my hat is off to you for taking that initiative. I am still learning and feeling my way around.
I am still continuing my research on this person (group) so as I come across information, I will not fret to share it with the community.
Cheers!
I should have posted the whole article to the board. I apologize for that, and my hat is off to you for taking that initiative. I am still learning and feeling my way around.
I am still continuing my research on this person (group) so as I come across information, I will not fret to share it with the community.
Cheers!
Washington Post Article on Gabbard -no mention homophobia
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: July 29, 2019 12:47AM
What this alleged hunk of journalism shows is how the Washington Post is choosing the rest on its Watergate laurels.
Has the Post hired a robot to do its fact checking?
Whoever researched the artice was snoozing on the job. They failed to note Tulsi's family inheritance -- servitude to an antidemocratic, dictatorial cult guru, homophobia and.....the still open case of SHRI SHIM.
Tulsi's sister is named Vrindavan and that town is sacred to Krishna. Tulsi's own name refers to a plant used by Krisna devotees for worship.
A Hare Krishna website (Chris Butler, Tulsi Gabbard's guru, started in the Hare Krishnas, then created his own breakaway sect and has retained most of the beliefs), a Hare Krisna website has lots of information about Tulsi plant products used in worship.
[krishnastore.com]
By contrast some persons, not many but some, wrote comments that did mention Tulsi's ties to Butler.
Here are the most recent comments:
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2019 12:55AM by corboy.
Has the Post hired a robot to do its fact checking?
Whoever researched the artice was snoozing on the job. They failed to note Tulsi's family inheritance -- servitude to an antidemocratic, dictatorial cult guru, homophobia and.....the still open case of SHRI SHIM.
Tulsi's sister is named Vrindavan and that town is sacred to Krishna. Tulsi's own name refers to a plant used by Krisna devotees for worship.
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Recommended Uses:
Tulasi (or Tulsi) leafs are an essential part in the worship of Vishnu and his avatars, including Krishna and Rama, and other male Vaishnava deities such as Hanuman, Balarama, Garuda and many others.
A Hare Krishna website (Chris Butler, Tulsi Gabbard's guru, started in the Hare Krishnas, then created his own breakaway sect and has retained most of the beliefs), a Hare Krisna website has lots of information about Tulsi plant products used in worship.
[krishnastore.com]
By contrast some persons, not many but some, wrote comments that did mention Tulsi's ties to Butler.
Here are the most recent comments:
Quote
[plantswithapurpose.net]
Krishna Tulsi, Holy Basil, Medicinal Seeds, Ocimum Sanctum,
1 minute ago
Homophobic, anti-Islamic, not for impeachment. No thanks.
Likethumb_up2
5 minutes ago
Junk, you write about her family and upbringing but nothing about Chris Butler. America doesn't need yet another Manchurian Candidate, what's wrong with you?
Likethumb_up2
1 minute ago
It's striking how this article whitewashes her life.
Likethumb_up1
5 minutes ago
Tulsi is a real piece of work, homophobic and takes her directions from a cult.
Likethumb_up1
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2019 12:55AM by corboy.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
Vera City
()
Date: August 01, 2019 06:33PM
Bears repeating:
> Here are some links and videos for those who want
> more....
> [www.meanwhileinhawaii.org] (a long but
> thoroughly researched article exposing Tulsi
> Gabbard's cult ties)
> [www.cnn.com]…/p…/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/index.html
> [www.jacobinmag.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-president-sander…
> [www.newyorker.com]…/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-beli…
> [www.rollingstone.com]…/tulsi-gabbards-2020-preside…/
> [www.vanityfair.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidentia…
> [www.tulsigabbard.guru]
> [hawaiifreepress.com]…/Video-Tulsi-Gabbard-praises-he…
> [www.hawaiifreepress.com]…/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russia…
> [hawaiifreepress.com]…/Tulsi-Gabbards-Cult-Tied-to-qu…
> [ramaransonvsthecult.wordpress.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-…/
> [youtu.be]
> [www.youtube.com]
> [youtu.be]
>
>
> **[www.facebook.com]
> Here are some links and videos for those who want
> more....
> [www.meanwhileinhawaii.org] (a long but
> thoroughly researched article exposing Tulsi
> Gabbard's cult ties)
> [www.cnn.com]…/p…/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/index.html
> [www.jacobinmag.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-president-sander…
> [www.newyorker.com]…/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-beli…
> [www.rollingstone.com]…/tulsi-gabbards-2020-preside…/
> [www.vanityfair.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidentia…
> [www.tulsigabbard.guru]
> [hawaiifreepress.com]…/Video-Tulsi-Gabbard-praises-he…
> [www.hawaiifreepress.com]…/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russia…
> [hawaiifreepress.com]…/Tulsi-Gabbards-Cult-Tied-to-qu…
> [ramaransonvsthecult.wordpress.com]…/tulsi-gabbard-…/
> [youtu.be]
> [www.youtube.com]
> [youtu.be]
>
>
> **[www.facebook.com]
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
VoxVeritasVita Das
()
Date: August 05, 2019 03:24PM
Chapter...whatever...(it never ends)
In yet another example of one of the many ways the Cult of Butler tries to get money, good ol 'wahine male' Tulsi Gabbard, our ersatz political candidate, has filed a 50 million banana lawsuit against Google for raining on her parade... err uhm, infringing on her right to Free Speech.
*dead silence*
Seriously?? Think about this: The Butler Gang goes around and threatens and/or sues as many people as it can when they stand up to speak their truth about the cult - where are their rights to speak their minds? To explain to the world what they saw or heard in this cult- what they suffered and had to endure?
No words...just no words.
[www.nytimes.com]
The Hypocrisy Of Tulsi Gabbard & Best Time Ever to Expose Cult
Posted by:
Vera City
()
Date: August 06, 2019 04:15PM
We have the biggest opportunity than ever to expose the Butler -Cult
Quote
Vox Veritas
In yet another example of one of the many ways the Cult of Butler tries to get money, good ol 'wahine male' Tulsi Gabbard, our ersatz political candidate, has filed a 50 million banana lawsuit against Google for raining on her parade... err uhm, infringing on her right to Free Speech.
*dead silence*
Seriously?? Think about this: The Butler Gang goes around and threatens and/or sues as many people as it can when they stand up to speak their truth about the cult - where are their rights to speak their minds? To explain to the world what they saw or heard in this cult- what they suffered and had to endure?
No words...just no words./quote]
---End Vox Quote---
What you can do?
1) Everyone who has been sued, attacked, followed, harrassed, had their speech suppressed needs to blog, vlog, & post their stories on internet sites such as Gab, Minds, & Parler where speech is not censored.
Other places like Bitchute do not censor.
Just know that on free speech sites you will encounter offensive speech. You bear the responsibility to mute & block all the Nazis & Nutters.
2) Contact conservative leaders in the free speech movement & share links & stories or make comments wherever Tulsi is mentioned. You don't need to slander or get crazy --- just stick to facts, own your opinions, stay within the law, & share articles.
You also don't have to endorse or believe in all their points of view. The idea is to expose the cult. Period.
Most of the following people & sites have had favorable reviews of Tulsi due to her slamming Kamala Harris or her policy on non-interventionst wars.
(Both of which I also favor.) But I don't agree to her economic & Butleresque socialism... or the way she has been disingenuous about her connections with the Cult of Butler. I just want her to come clean regarding her real beliefs & background.
It's not about Hinduphobia or against freedom of religion or racism.
I just like our politicians & public policy makers to be truthful. What a concept? Is that too much to ask?
I just want to know how Tulsi's life-long connection to the Cult of Butler informs her policies and reasoning as a representative.
[Full disclosure~
IMO - Of all of the Democrats she is the best, but her hypocricy regarding freedom of speech is too much.
I also dislike her hypocritical stance against guns when she & her guru have 24/7 armed protection. #2A #WalkAway.]
3) Check out the following people & sites for any mentions of Tulsi.
Post comments & share articles.
Timing (news cycle) is everything. If she makes it to the 3rd debate or is considered for a VP pick for example, is the time to post freely & frequently.
Most of the following still have a You Tube, Facebook, or Twitter pressence & have mentioned Tulsi favorably:
Timcast (Tim Pool), InfoWars, (Rob Dew), Paul Joseph Watson (Summit News), Scott Adams, The Next News Network, Dave Rubin, Stefan Molenieux, Lauren Chen, Laura Loomer, Breitbart, The Daily Wire, The Blaze, Gavin McInnes, Mark Dice, Dan Bongino, Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, OAN (One America News), Jason Goodman, BCP (Black Conservative Patriot), Steven Crowder, Dennis Prager, RT America, Mr. Reagan, Still Report, Freedom Watch, The Truth Factory, Revenge of the Cis, Milo, Project Veritas, AND CHRISTIAN SITES, and many more.
Flush out Butler's Gang into the light. Force Tulsi to take a stand in truth.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2019 04:16PM by Vera City.
The Elephant in the Room
Posted by:
Vera City
()
Date: August 13, 2019 09:11PM
No one is seeing the big, fat elephant in the room!!!
All media, right & left is oblivious to Tulsi Gabbard's ties to the Butler cult!
The left think she's a Russian asset! Ha ha!
The right are confused. They like her, but hate her Democrat policies.
No one is coming here for info. Must post on social media wherever you see her mentioned.
All media, right & left is oblivious to Tulsi Gabbard's ties to the Butler cult!
The left think she's a Russian asset! Ha ha!
The right are confused. They like her, but hate her Democrat policies.
No one is coming here for info. Must post on social media wherever you see her mentioned.
The Elephant in the Room Behinf Tulsi Gabbard
Posted by:
Vera City
()
Date: August 14, 2019 01:12AM
Its more important now than ever to post comments & share links on social media & direct traffic here & elsewhere exposing the cult.
The Truth About Tulsi Gabbard Is Out There
Posted by:
Vera City
()
Date: August 19, 2019 11:01PM
The media is still not getting the real truth about Tulsi Gabbard & who really is pulling the strings.
I do have one question ~ How does her record on abortion sit with her "religion" & guru dev? Seems again, the height of hypocricy. Can't have it both ways.
Close, but no cigar . . .
The Truth About Tulsi Gabbard
You comments on social media is needed. Direct traffic to the work of Chistine, Rama, Ian, & this forum.
I do have one question ~ How does her record on abortion sit with her "religion" & guru dev? Seems again, the height of hypocricy. Can't have it both ways.
Close, but no cigar . . .
The Truth About Tulsi Gabbard
You comments on social media is needed. Direct traffic to the work of Chistine, Rama, Ian, & this forum.
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