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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: CarlFig ()
Date: April 23, 2019 01:10AM

from Daily Kos:
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: CarlFig ()
Date: May 13, 2019 09:43PM

Need more proof that pro-dictator, anti-gun control, and self-described "pro-life" "Democrat" Tulsi Gabbard is a terrible choice to represent one of the bluest congressional districts in the country? Well, have I got news for you:

source: Twitter
That's right, Gabbard—who is currently mounting a quixotic bid for the Democratic presidential nomination—will be appearing at a Las Vegas conference run by former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci and featuring a "who's who" of former Trump officials.

Gabbard is currently polling zero in the presidential primary, but she could always abandon the race and seek re-election to her congressional seat next year. Her history of opposing basic Democratic ideals and supporting dictators like Syria's Bashar al-Assad makes it clear that we can't let that happen.

Tulsi Gabbard's congressional seat is one of the bluest in the country, and we can elect a real progressive Democrat to it. Please donate $3 now to pro-Medicare for All and pro-Green New Deal Democrat Kai Kahele.

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Still, Kahele has an uphill climb ahead of him. Gabbard has remained popular in her district and won't be easy to beat if and when she bails on her presidential bid. What's more, Washington insiders have recently put up new roadblocks to stop progressive challengers to incumbent Democrats.

Please give $3 to Kai Kahele and help elect a fantastic Democrat to this bright blue district!

Thank you,
David Nir, Political Director
Daily Kos

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: AC4711 ()
Date: May 16, 2019 06:26AM

It is fascinating how Chris Butler actually chooses winner and losers out of his devotes. If you are more pleasing to him, you will be better treated. If you are less pleasing to him you are treated worse and even publicly (within the cult) humiliated. That is his Church. That is his Temple. That is what it is like to be in the presence of God. Please Mr. Butler and God is happy with you. Mr. Butler is using this Hindu Ruse (looks like a pattern to me, a Master Cello player must love to watch his greatest pupil playing that same Cello ruse of Hinduism) totally makes sense to me. He used his Psychic Sleep as his 1st Ruse. You see he Changed his name to Sai (the Enlighted One) and we all know that story. Now The real crime here is the complete and totally indoctrination that happens to each and every child in this cult. Since the Elders of the Cult are still alive and uphold these made up traditions. They too accept indoctrination of their children because they feel they were wronged as children being indoctrinated by what was mostly Christian/ Catholic upbringing. (Most of the original Cult elders are 60+ so if you meet a cult member who is 30-40 to even 50… the are NOT original Sai, Siddah, prabupad.. now his Jagad hu-Ru- la la boi dancing act incarnation) These original members hated their parents and hated the culture they were raised in and became proud counter culture people. Fast forward to 2019. They are still fighting the ghosts of their fathers and mothers by holding tight to the cult. Like I said, a fascinating case study of human nature and the desire for us to want to believe. So if they see Chris Butler as a human being relative of some chimp like the rest of us and not some inhuman god then they would have to deal with a lifetime of blaming their parents as being the foundation of their faith in god. That would shatter these already broken people. So, they choose to turn a blind eye to the emotional abuse of indoctrinating a child into this brainwashing cult because when they were being abused, they misperceived that someone turned a blind eye.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 20, 2019 09:00AM

Chris Butler's guru was Srila Prabhupada of ISKCON.

Like ISKCON, Butler set up a boarding school and pressured devotee parents to
send their young children to that school.


Although there are those devotees who suspect Prabhupada was poisoned by his closest disciples, at 82, he was also a sick man suffering from diabetes. Partly because he was vague about who would succeed him, his death in 1977 created a controversy that still smolders. In 1970, he set up a "governing board commission" to function as the managerial arm of the movement. Most of its members consisted of men who had risen to the spiritual level of sannyasi, ostensibly dedicating their lives to celibacy and preaching. In the days before he "left his body," he gave nine of these men the authority to initiate new devotees, the traditional province of the guru. The following day, one of the more powerful sannyasi, Tamal Krishna, announced that Prabhupada had appointed him and his 10 godbrothers as successor gurus.

"He said, 'All 11 of us are equal to the body of Prabhupada,'" says Nori Muster. "There were challenges to it, and some devotees left the movement, but most just sheepishly accepted the takeover. It was quite a coup."

These successor gurus were not wise Indian elders who had begun their spiritual journey after living a full life. Most were former hippies now in their late 20s who had either left their wives to follow Prabhupada or never married. But when they saw power, they grabbed it, dividing the world into 11 zones, huge fiefdoms where they could be worshiped like gods.

A guru's control over the life of his devotee was absolute. To criticize him was blasphemy, the worst of the 10 offenses recited each day during the morning ceremony. A guru's instructions were deemed "perfect" not only in matters of the spirit but in material matters as well. He would tell you whom to marry, when to have children, what kind of work to pursue. The guru was your direct channel to God; please him, and you please Krishna. Raise money for him, and you raise money for Krishna. "If your guru asked you to steal or scam or sell drugs, it wasn't wrong," Muster says. "Just as long as it's done in the name of Krishna."

Certainly there were gurus with integrity, highly intelligent and spiritually evolved. Others have been implicated in murder plots, drug running, prostitution rings, racketeering scams or child sex abuse. Among these, one is serving a 30-year sentence in federal prison, and a devotee beheaded another.

After the successor gurus took power, chauvinistic attitudes hardened and women were relegated to the back of the temple. They were instructed to lower their gaze, keep their heads down, remain chaste.

In the movement's earliest days, Prabhupada taught that men and women were equal souls. He allowed both to pray side by side in the temple, initiated both, even made women priests. On the other hand, he said women were less intelligent than men, their brain size only half the size of a man's. They were also "nine times lustier," which is why, as a preventive measure, a man should refer to any woman not his wife as his mother. Early on, he arranged marriages, but he stopped after becoming fed up with the marital problems of his devotees. The movement began to view marriage and children as a spiritual weakness, a temptation of the material world. Women were instructed to submit to their husbands, and some leaders even advocated wife beating to maintain control.

"The whole repression of women is very related to the child abuse," says psychologist Maria Ekstrand, who is co-editing an academic book titled Hare Krishna: The Post Charismatic Phase of a Religious Transplant. "Only when women feel disempowered do they lose their maternal instincts and agree to send their children away."


Dallas attorney Windle Turley had received national fame when a Dallas jury returned a $119 million verdict against the Catholic Church for concealing abuse by one of its priests. During the trial, Turley received a phone call from a former ISKCON leader who asked him to investigate allegations of child abuse in the Hare Krishna movement. But he didn't speak for Dillon Hickey and five other gurukula (boarding school)kids, who later contacted Turley and became his first plaintiffs.

"What happened to the victims in the Catholic Church case was bad, but I had never seen this kind of abuse before," Turley says. "I spent a year investigating this case, talking to these young people. Some of them had become street kids. They have no education, no family support, no understanding of how to survive in the outside world."

The full article can be read here:

Dallas Observer

Tortured Souls


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