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Without meaning to sound sycophantic- I have to say- well done Apostate- you hit the nail on the head every time! Reading this forum and the comments from yourself, Matilda, Malcolm, Dogmother et al, have been such a comfort to me. Sorry I'm not sharing much- but honestly- I have found this thread such a help. :D
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You are so right. However- I would say- the crux of it all is that Dave is genuinely delusional. I mean, you talk about " hoodwinked"- but the person Dave cons the most is himself. Have you seen the " dreams" thread on his forum. He admits to hallucinating- a demon- no less! Dave is in such severe denial.
He is so smug and self- satisfied- he seeks to recruit converts as a buffer for his own ego. The fact that his group are dependent on his literature- and for many- his approval- makes for a truly toxic relationship.
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The stress of denial must be getting to him- he must be exhausted from trying to cover up the lies he's told and the strain of witholding information from his group must be exhausting. I don't think he mentioed it to ellicit sympathy though- more like he's using it to illustrate how close he is to God. :roll:
Was Dave always like this- or has he just gotten progressively worse over the years?
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"CORBAN" is a term I have never come across before. I got busy, and found another reference in Matthew 15:5-6. No doubt David M will have some sick.. oops! I mean sycophantic retort with accompanying quote, but it ain't turned up yet.Quote
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I am sure he is trying to make one up as we speak. It will probably be something like "Ash is honouring you guys by obeying Dave's interpretations, and therefore you as parents can be looked upon with honour because of what your son does while in the service of the JC's". A similar spiel to the one mothers have to swallow in Palestine when they learn of their son's actions in Hamas. Honouring one's parents in this context has nothing to do with respecting or following parental direction.
Yes, no doubt. The Hamas families in Palestine do at least have some forewarning of their impending loss, but I imagine that must make it even harder for them when it comes, esp having to accept the "honour" with pride, and bury their sadness in silence.
The other side of this coin is the disbelief of the grieving families of those suicide bombers in the UK and US. They could not accept that their sons would have been capable of such an act. That's how we felt about Ash. It is all so totally out of character - their boys were gentle, kind, obedient and devout - ours was too : it's like an echo for me.Quote
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I find it interesting because Dave has effectively set himself up as a defacto parent of all these young people, and reinforced in their minds that they would be hurting HIM to leave the group. He has, through emotional manipulation, created a co dependent situation because Ash would not want to hurt Dave because of the "magnitude of heartbreak" Dave assures him he experienced previously. Dave is using the very tactic he accuses you of doing. This is so typical of him. Every behaviour he himself engages in he projects onto others.
Yes, that is exactly what happened here, and yes, he does seem to have got this projection stunt down to an artform.Quote
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"Relating" is something the JC's do to appear to be on the same wave length with non JC's. This they do as a way of disarming those they are targetting.
Well, I understand, but I really don't get it - dropping us now after 3 and a half years of being apparently on good terms, albeit at a huge distance for several extended periods. We had an unspoken agreement not to discuss religion or sex, and had a lot of agreement on politics, and just a lot of fun. It's not over the domain names, altho that was the reason initially cited. He staged a bust-up with a dear friend and loyal supporter of his too, round the time of confirming he had a potential recipient.
I can only think it is to do with the impending kidney donation. Perhaps they have decided that we would be likely to attempt some sort of physical interference with that process, so must be kept from all contact.Quote
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I was a bit saddened to hear the news that Vicky had rejoined the JC's. She was not treated very well when she was in the group. Her and Ross almost got married, but Dave put an end to that by tunring up the heat on her. She broke under the strain of it all.
That is very sad. We only met her once, on Boxing Day 2 years ago, when Ash brought her and the little girls, with Ross and Martin over for a bbq. I had thought then that she and Ross would make a good couple. Shame he couldn't just give them his blessing like he did with Fran and Kim. Martin was Ash's "buddy" at that time.