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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: zizlz ()
Date: May 12, 2019 12:47AM

Well said!

To me it's hilarious that JS thinks that people moved away from him during meditation because he was "so radiant with consciousness." If anything, such radiance would have drawn people towards him, not away from him. Sounds more like a body odor issue.

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: earthquake ()
Date: May 12, 2019 12:52AM

Perhaps that, and the well known phenomenon of "the curious case of the wandering hands"..

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: zizlz ()
Date: May 12, 2019 01:00AM

earthquake Wrote:
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> Perhaps that, and the well known phenomenon of
> "the curious case of the wandering hands"..


Ah yes, that may be what he meant by "The body was automatically assuming complex yogic postures."



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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: clearvision ()
Date: May 12, 2019 02:04AM

Great to hear your astute observations here earthquake!

Regarding JS, you wrote "He focuses in specific vedanta teachings, more than others. The ones he focuses on actually keep the students tied into samsara. that is, keeps the students needing him."

This could be squarely said about Mooji too! If you ever have a moment, it would be great if you felt like chiming in on the "Mooji a cult?" forum here.

There's no question that Mooji is also not enlightened, or a proper Vedanta teacher. It would be great to hear your take on him and his "teachings" as you have such a wonderful grasp of Vedanta.

I guess there's a tie-in too, as JS seems to be trying to maneuver into position to take advantage of the stream of ex-mooji followers.

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: May 12, 2019 05:39AM

Thank you for joining the discussion, Earthquake.

It is very important that we hear from people with firsthand knowledge of these things, like yourself.

I hope you will feel free to share more with us here. This is a moderated forum, and if at any time you see a comment posted here that is suspicious for any reason, you are welcome to report it. If you receive something in your inbox that you are not sure of, you are welcome to report that as well. The moderator will take decisive action to protect everyone here.

I am enjoying reading your account of things... especially the finer points of Advaita Vedanta, as I am an extreme novice.

Welcome.

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: May 12, 2019 05:54AM

zizlz Wrote:

(quoting J.S.)

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I came out of my absorption for a
> minute and noticed that the Swami was looking at
> me in an unkind way, as if I had consciously done
> something to mess with the classroom energy, about
> which he was very possessive. At the same time I
> had the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps
> momentarily envious? Whatever it was, I understood
> that I did not belong there any more; I was simply
> becoming too powerful.

> ..... While he squandered his capital at an
> alarming rate helping others,
I husbanded mine,
> selfishly investing it in pure meditation.

See here where Old Jimmy gloatingly denounces his own teacher for helping others? Then Old Jimmy acknowledges that he is selfish. This is a huge red flag for me! How could it possibly be wrong to help others????

Why would you pride yourself in being selfish? Honestly, I think the teacher was concerned about Old Jimmy, not because he was envious, but because he observed a sociopath in the making!



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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: clearvision ()
Date: May 12, 2019 06:42AM

A one star amazon review of Swartz's "How to Attain Enlightenment: The Vision of Nonduality"


"First of all this guy seems to be completely uninformed about the teachings of any of the scriptures of Vedanta: Bhagavad gita, Upanishads, and Brahma Sutras, and Shankara's commentaries on each. Do yourself a favor. Read these works for yourself so that you will know when someone is misleading you.

The author wonders why Swami Vivekananda emphasised the four paths of yoga. Maybe it was because Krishna also emphasised the four paths of yoga in the Gita.

Guru James seems to think that anyone who teaches any path other than self-enquiry is teaching "neo-vedanta." His way seems to be the only way. Too bad such people as Maharishi Patanjali, Sri Krishna, Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Prabhavananda, Narada Muni, the Buddha and the Dalai Lama didn't read Guru James's book. They wouldn't have lead people astray.

I'm glad for James that he is so satisfied with himself. It must feel very good to be right when so many others are so wrong."

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 12, 2019 09:57AM

If you find any informative reviews on Amazon, copy them here. Sometimes they disappear.

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: Valma ()
Date: May 12, 2019 02:49PM

It is Sunday, you may find time to view this very informative documentary on Advaita Vedanta.

[youtu.be]


Then see where we are now and put into that perspective a "guru" ( unfortunately, the times of that quaint definition of that term "guru" are long past, quote from Guruphiliac) like JS or Anthony Moo, keeping in mind for the latter that Papaji's words according to David Godman to people coming to sit at his feet were to be messengers of Peace in the world (not necessarily teachers with all the risks of becoming unethical and/or cultish through lack of spiritual maturity)

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?
Posted by: zizlz ()
Date: May 12, 2019 07:57PM

I'm still reading parts of James' autobiography and it's shocking how he exposes himself in it for what he really is. (The book is called "Mystic by default" and a free pdf of it can be found online)

First of all, he describes how he "got enlightened" but it's clear that he doesn't understand the difference between an awakening experience and enlightenment. What he describes is an awakening experience, as so many people have had. Whether he actually had this experience or just made it up, I don't know, but it doesn't matter because he makes it abundantly clear that he is not really enlightened. Appendix four of the book "Guru? The story of Heather" has a good explanation of the difference between the two. (http://reallyguru.com/)

Like many people with this type of personality (for example L. Ron Hubbard and James Baker (aka Father Yod) James has many tall tales about his past, as he summarizes here:

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transcendental ecstasies too numerous to mention, close calls with death, including internment as a Jewish spy in an underground bunker in Cairo, severe beating at the hands of Sudanese soldiers deep in the Sud, a shootout with poachers on the Ugandan border, meetings with yogis and a raft of amazing people in India and elsewhere.

His "enlightenment" is another one of these tall tales. The fact that he wasn't enlightened after what he calls his "enlightenment" but just had an awakening experience is evidenced by many things, for example these two quotes from his book:

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The consistent inspiration that flows in the mind when one knows who one is lifts a lot of boats, but working with people is difficult. Because I attained transcendence so quickly I was unable to completely clean my mind beforehand, so keeping selfish tendencies in check for the sake of the experiment involved additional effort.

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One of the great saints of the last century, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa often said that there were two big obstacles on the road to enlightenment: women and gold. I can amend that to read before and after enlightenment.

In the book he briefly describes that he married a very pretty dancer called Felicia. It's really confusing, he first describes meeting her "In a vacant lot sout of Market Street," and then two pages later gives a very different version of their first encounter:

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I was driving home for lunch one day along the Park Panhandle when I had a vision of a woman sitting at a kitchen table. When we entered the flat one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen was sitting in the kitchen in a very high state of consciousness. When she looked at me there was much more than a connection,there was a transmission. No, it was more than that: an understanding that she was the sefl arose in her, one that would never leave.
She was a dancer who had been having many strange and wonderful inner experiences.

Maybe it's just one of the many sloppy errors in the (rather disjointed) book, or maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Anyway, he writes that "Six years later we would marry and embark on one of the most tragic, bizarre and rewarding experiences of my life." I think this Felicia is the character named Charlene in Heather's story.

James glosses over his time with her and then he describes meeting another woman named Victoria.

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She was a beautiful young woman, bright, cultured and well- mannered, a petty aristocrat from an Iron Curtain country. The only problem: what to do about Felicia? After a bit of family karma the good Lord solved the problem.

From what I can gather, James lived with Felicia in a sort of commune where he was the dictatorial Guru, and together they try to make ends meet by restoring and selling antique furniture. So now he has this problem: he can't just leave his wife because he'd have to leave the commune and lose his livelihood. In the following quote he describes how he got out of this conundrum, and since he doesn't seem know what it's like to have empathy, he apparently doesn't realize that he paints himself as someone devoid of empathy, someone who sees people as objects or obstacles:

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After several nightly sojourns down the hall to Victoria’s room it was abundantly clear that I had solved half the girl friend problem. However, the other half, Felicia, was crying for a solution.
One morning at seven, everyone gathered in the meditation hall except Felicia. I waited before starting, thinking she would be along shortly but after five minutes there was no sign of her.
“Where’s Felicia?” I said.
Everyone shrugged.
“Please get her,” I told Tom.
He returned a minute later. “She’s not coming,” he said. “She’s coming,” I said. “Everyone sits.”
He shrugged and sat down.
I got up and went down the hall to her room. She was lounging in bed reading a book.
“Get your ass down the hall,” I said. “Everyone sits.”
“Fuck you, Ram. I’m not coming.”
I had to admire her. She had spunk as mother used to say.
“Any special reason?” I said glancing down the hall where several
heads were sticking out listening.
“I just don’t feel like it. That’s all.”
“That’s good. You don’t feel like it. Now, what if everyone doesn’t
feel like it? Then do we have a meditation or not?” “Guess not.”
“And if we don’t have a meditation do we have any reason to be here in this house?”
“Fuck you, man. Don’t give me any of your clever intellectual bullshit.”
“OK. Let’s put it this way. Either you come and sit with the rest of us or you pack your bags.”
“You’re not getting rid of me, that easy,” she said. “I’m not leaving.”
I recalled that by her frequent admissions she had been a queen in at least a dozen past lives and wondered if she was not a bit confused about her status in this one.
“OK. This is your last chance. You sit and we’ll talk about what’s bothering you later. If you don’t sit you’re outta here.”
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“Who’s going to throw me out?” she said. She reminded me of a cat I once had that thought it was a human being. If you messed with it in a certain way it attacked like a raging demon. She was not an inch taller than five feet and probably weighed 90 pounds soaking wet. I am nearly six feet and weigh in at two hundred.
“Come on, Felicia,” I said turning on the charm. It’s so easy to just get up and walk down the hall and sit for thirty minutes like the rest of us.” It still did not dawn me that this was the perfect opportunity to get her out of my hair. I guess I really loved her.
“Fuck you Ram.”
I walked over, grabbed her and hauled her down the hall. She was kicking and scratching and screaming and biting. I could not believe the filth coming out of her mouth.
When I got her out on the porch I locked her out, went back to her room, gathered up her possessions, which took all of five minutes, and delivered them to her. Someone once called her the closet saint because she was so small and had so few possessions she could easily have lived in a closet. A rich kid from the East who was visiting took pity, drove her to the Muktananda Ashram in Oakland and paid for her room.

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