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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: shamrock ()
Date: May 10, 2022 02:48AM

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“Turn off the critical brain; it will not help you.”

Turning off your danger-sensing mechanism is one of the tricks that leaves people vulnerable to predators.

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And when my tears started to flow unbidden because I was so in need of his attention, he told me, “You are so negative.”

Denying that your actions have any effect on other people, or that they have any right to respond, is another trick that keeps people distanced from reality.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Frozen Nick91 ()
Date: September 01, 2022 05:55PM

Hi! I have not written in this thread here yet, but I also once was a follower of Mooji. Now, I just wanted to share my observation and opinion about Mooji's post-covid website appearance and the changes that happened there.

Before Covid people were able to come to Monte Shaja freely and without any invitations or big commitment announcements. The website now says Monte Sahaja is not a "drop in" center. It is a place for chosen, and serious devotees now who can only access the place through an invitation only.

PLEASE EVERYONE WHO STILL CONSIDERS MOOJI AS GENUINE, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NEW LANGUAGE AND RETHORIC THAT HAS COME UP ON THEIR WEBSITE AFTER COVID. IT IS A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF CULT BEHAVIOUR.

1. The elite - The elitest self-isolating approach that has been taken there now is very typical almost textbook development of any cult: Only long time, sincere seekers of truth are now welcome to visit the temple and see him in person.

It means no sincere seekers can be added now. All sincere seeker are selected now. What decides who is a sincere seeker? The ones who agree to isolation and turning away from the world narrative, which leads to my next point

2. Isolation - Every dogmatic cult on some point will reject the outside world completely, because the dogma makes the cult no longer compatible with the outside world and reality, therefore isolation protects the dogma.

Every religious or spiritual group that self-isolates from the world and turns to dogmatism is doomed to die out. No religion or spiritual seeking can survive when it reject the world around them - which leads to my next point

3. Control: Mooji's image has been struggling the last years, as we all know and he has lost a lof of control over his devotees, his narrative and the way he has been perceived by the audience. Not letting anyone else, than the "most brainwashed" coming to his temple now means that he can still coerce some control, not much of it is left, he is aware of that and this is why he withdraws.



Covid is just an exuse, it would have come to this state anyways on some point. This happened to multiple other cults before. He isolates the completely brainwashed now to coerce 100% control while still trying to run his business with dull statments such as "I am with you.
Physical distance cannot separate us."

Since only the truly brainwashed are there now, he can control the narrative as well, because they will be the only ones who will be able to let out information about him out to the broader audience. This information will be : Mooji baba is soooo great.

They are working now more and more on being self-sufficient and economically independent so they can just run their business online or over YouTube.

But since nobody will get the status of "sincere seeker" anymore and nobody will be allowed to visit him annymore, his business will not run very well anymore.

Maybe some spin-off cults will occur now with other power and money hungry sucessors of mooji, like it happened with ISCKON and many others.

Mooji's cult is in the phase of passing away and dying.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: lostmywife ()
Date: November 18, 2022 04:09AM

Unbelievable all this... I'm only 50 or so pages down this thread but mooji is yet another person that I can find on my wife's youtube playlist. She left me for crimson circle in colorado (a dude called geoffrey hoppe pretending he's some deity called adamus saint germain lol), see here: [forum.culteducation.com] It seems like all these organizations or cults work pretty much the same. I can't believe people fall for this nonsense. I've bought Mr. Ross' book in the hopes of learning more about the mechanisms behind all this. I wish everyone well that was touched by this 'evil'.

H.S.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: January 20, 2023 03:53AM

Hello,

I found a great academic article all about power relations within the Mooji movement. I's at Research Gate. See this link:

[www.researchgate.net]

It's so great to see that serious researchers are looking into this! Among other things, this article mentions the allegations of sexual misconduct, and the false spiritual linage claims.

Well worth a read.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: January 20, 2023 04:13AM

Another academic who prominently features Mooji's photo on a website under the title "Gurus and Sexual Abuse"

see: [www.amandajeanlucia.com]
(you will need to scroll down to see Moo's photo)

It's good to see that these resources are available for survivors of abuse and also for those interested in researching further.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 21, 2023 01:24AM

Most people go into a light trance if an ordinary meeting lasts more than 90 minutes - years back we were told this by The Anticult, a participant on this message board.

According to one of the researers mentioned by Sahara, satsangs at Moo retreats are hours long!


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While
satsang is usually improvised during the everyday life of the ashram and thus
does not take place at regular times, it constitutes the main activity of
Mooji’s retreats. They are then scheduled twice a day, one in the morning
and one in the evening. An average satsang lasts from a minimum of one
hour to three or even four hours in some cases, although lately Mooji’s
closest devotees have pressed him to keep satsang a bit shorter as Mooji is
aging and suffering from a number of ailments.


[www.researchgate.net]

The satsang dispositif : Mooji’s teachings, power, authority, and self-transformation

Authors:Matteo Di PlacidoUniversità degli Studi di Torino

Project: Pedagogies of Salvation

July 2022 Journal of Contemporary Religion 37(71):1-18

DOI:10.1080/13537903.2022.2081311



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 21, 2023 01:35AM

Here are a few enlightening comments about trance by The Anticult. Ponder them with Moo in mind.

[forum.culteducation.com]

lex Benzer aka Ali Binazir, taoofdating.com hypnosis abuse Posted by: The Anticult Date: December 29, 2009 08:54AM

Below is another version of Ali Binazir's "hypnosis story", about getting "knocked out" simply by listening to someone else get hypnotized.

That in itself, is a common technique to induce rapid trance induction.

They tell you a "story" about someone who rapidly got "knocked out" simply by listening to a story about another person getting put into hypnosis.

The goal of that is to put YOU into a hypnotic state, simply by telling you that story. A very common method.

People in general, and women in particular, need to watch-out in the EXTREME for people who've studied hypnosis, trance, and persuasion, and who apply it in "dating".

For people who know how to do it, and who find the right "subjects" they can easily "knock-out" people in very few minutes. Even just during normal sounding conversation, they are able to use all sorts of manipulative techniques on people, like the one above, about telling you an autobiographical story about getting "knocked out", which is actually targeted at putting YOU into hypnosis as they speak. There is more information in this thread about this.

Ross Jeffries - Speed Seduction - NLP persuasion, "The Game" "Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community[forum.culteducation.com] (the quote below is actually a common method of inducing Trance/hypnosis in subjects, by telling them a Story of how you went into a trance rapidly by hearing a story. When he tells this story, he is trying to induce hypnosis in YOU. Watch out).

____________QUOTE______________ [www.thisisbrandx.com] You're getting sleepy.... ...There was a class in medical school that my friends were taking. I heard about it and decided that I had to go heckle it, so I went and sat in. My friend got onstage in front of the class as the subject, and he started doing very, very goofy things. And just by listening to the guy hypnotize them, I got knocked out. So I thought: 'All right. Maybe this isn't all nonsense after all.' And the rest is history." --Brand X reader, Dr. Ali Binazir, asked at a Mindshare lecture at the Downtown Independent Theater. ______________________________"]

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The Satsang Room -- Accessories for Trance Induction?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 21, 2023 01:55AM

Friends, the guru performance stage is similar no matter who the guru is. Its almost as standardized as a fast food franchise.

Vase of flowers.

Guru sits above the audience and is spotlit.

Attendants

White or light colored flowing robes of some kind for the guru. Shirt usually is scoop necked or has a chinese/nehru/mandarin/modi style band collar.

Garland or mala necklace

No matter where you go on the satsang travel scene, these are the customary stage props gurus use.

As familiar as a lullaby.

Perhaps these alone will put some folks into a light trance?

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Analysis of trance script by another guru
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 21, 2023 01:59AM

This is a long read.

The mind you save may be your own.

This is an analysis by The Antcult of a script of another guru's "teaching story".

Go through it and see if any of it matches what you've seen Moo say or do.

[forum.culteducation.com]

Re: Byron Katie (the Work) - hypnotic language patterns, metaphors
Posted by: The Anticult
Date: March 11, 2008 06:48AM

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· Here are some rough notes about the Byron Katie 5 CD set “A Thousand Names For Joy”. Its important to begin the process of analysis, which is ongoing.

· This is not just a typical CD of strange stories and comments by some lady who sounds kinda “weird”. Not even close. This is some very dangerous material, for certain people with certain vulnerabilities. Some people would just switch it off as it sounds nonsensical to them, but there are those who ‘get it” and get lured into the Dreamworld. As mentioned, its clear that most everything that Byron Katie does has at least a double-meaning…the everyday meaning of the words and images, but also an inner symbolic meaning. This is very common in advanced hypnotherapy, and is actually a preferred way of communicating with the unconscious, as they say in their technical literature.

· That being said, it is still not yet determined if all these advanced operators really do work on the unconscious directly, or if the Influence comes from the forceful personality of the hypnotist, and how all of that interacts. Even just regular folks have made comments about Byron Katie along the lines of…she keeps pushing on people until they agree with her. That is very true as well. She’s pushing on you consciously, and also unconsciously, and socially, and in every other way. In her own images, she uses the metaphors of her “blindly” flailing around trying to “turn the dials written in a foreign language” and listening like a “safecracker” to find that “click”. Again, very common stuff one can see in Ericksonian Hypnotherapy. They often use metaphors of your own unconscious mind communicating within itself in a way that ONLY IT can understand, and assumes it is being done as they speak. They know each human has their own internal secret “language”, and they can only allude to it from the outside. Again, the stuff gets quite complicated, yet it does make sense with some serious study. The difference here is serious Ericksonian style hypnotherapy is usually used fairly ethically. There are some guys out there trying to sell you some of their DVD’s with it, but in the ones that I have seen, they have always always at least suggested “empowerment” for the person. I have not seen anything like this, so far, maybe there are many others doing it too? We’ll see…so BEWARE of the materials of Byron Katie, even this little CD set is very powerful, and could easily trigger very disturbing feelings in a person, headaches, as we shall see. Dangerous stuff for the “right” person who “clicks”. Of course, its all done very cleverly, and with Artistry, so some deniability is fused into its very structure, and any questions about her will get "TurnedAround" into questions about YOU…its all very diabolical.


· The original notes from the first CD are included below…there is more info there too.

· One can get into the more subtle explanations of what is going on with her “stories” but the most common word to explain it is…GROOMING: the process of first building rapport, then slowly taking you from where you are, to where she wants to take you with baby steps, and the occassional blind leap. It is a grooming process..but it all starts with…

· #1) she wants to use CONFUSION to break down your mind, and install confusion. She hammers on you with dozens-hundreds of very rapid meaningless statements, which is a very extreme and abusive version of what some hypnotherapists do to distract the conscious mind.
§ destroying reality with confusion. Nonsense stories to crush your mind. Don’t trust your own thoughts, lose entire world,
§ wants to SCRAMBLE YOUR BRAIN, paradoxical meaningless statements, destroy your mind,
§ disengage your mind from reality, and attach to her.

· #2) implant her SUGGESTIONS, using hypnotic Stories, voice cues, metaphors to unconscious, non-logical, to seduce you inside.
· waiting for a CRACK IN MIND: waits, for opening of closed door, you will never be the same again, everything is changed, later she says she is like a “safecracker”. A safecracker of the human mind?

· OPEN MIND: Mind Open, CLEAR MIND, totally open, (closed mind is a closed heart)
§ Don’t believe your thoughts, don’t believe what it Thinks,
§ Identity: I am no one, Fragment into a billion pieces, No Identity, Identity destruction,
§ Identity-Fusion: fuse with her, I AM YOU, “I OWN YOU”,
§ Computers: she claims to know nothing about computers, then says to go to her website and delete your Self..Ctrl-Alt-Delete = REBOOT your entire Self
§ SURRENDER: your mind, “feet of the Master”, without opposition, without defense, fearless, undefended state, let it all come without consent, letting go of control, absolute freedom is submission to her. Humility, sublimate Ego, Passivity, have No Plans,
§ No WILL of your own, flow, everything decided for you, preaching passivity,YIELD, no enemies, not opposed to anything,
§ MIND OF THE PEOPLE: mind of THE PEOPLE is HER MIND, your breath is my breath, melded into you, let me in your heart, be flexible, porous,

· THE MASTER: The Master is always a She = Katie, MASTER MOVES IN (to your Mind).
§ She says “others” call her, Saint, Master, Buddha, Enlightened, Magician, SORCERER (she uses that word, that might be the best word of all).

· Installing Dangerous and FALSE ideas in her subjects: false philosophies, dangerous doctrines,
§ Nihilism: NOTHING HAS ANY MEANING, I AM NO ONE, THERE IS NOTHING, nothing anyone says is true. NO ULTIMATE ANSWER TO ANYTHING, nothing to know. NO THOUGHT IS TRUE. Knowledge is insane, nothing to know, know you don’t know, have no beliefs,
§ SOLIPSISM: all reality is mind,
§ Narcissism: “I’m vanity, total vanity”
§ Mania: creating manic impulses and images,
§ No Fight or Flight response,
§ She says The Work is “sanity”. (in fact it’s the opposite).
§ Werner Erhard, EST connection: “there is no reality other than your Stories” same thing. Slips and uses the word “Integrity” similar to Werner Erhard.

· No Good or Bad, No Right or Wrong, No Empathy, No Morality.
§ NO EMPATHY: a rationalization for not having empathy, no suffering, No rules, No sadness,
§ Morality: no right or wrong, no bad people, Morality, no such thing, can’t make children moral,
§ No Sin: there is no sin, a priest confessed his sins to her?
§ If world is destroyed, that is love. Common Good if village wiped out by Tsunami, loss of legs is good, mass death is good,
§ Everything that happens is God’s will, everything is good, everything is benevolent,
§ Stroke: man had one in the desert, she watched without Empathy, and hints that healed him?

· Abuse of TRUST: “trust untrustworthy and trustworthy completely”, obviously very dangerous.

· NO SUFFERING:
§ She is selling Heaven on earth, the secret of life,
§ Exploiting the misery and suffering of the human condition,
§ PAIN: relax into pain, pain is perfection,

· LOVE BOMBING: abuse of Love, liar for Love,
§ Constant use and abuse of the word “LOVE”. Literally applied to everything included mass murder, abuse, death of children, love the child molestor, etc.
§ Literally says embedded, “you can’t not love me, even if you think you don’t”. “Do you Love The Master yet?”
§ LOVE: wants to make you love her and trust her, Worship her,

· Programming: writing/crying doing The Work worsheets for a YEAR,
· Sales-pitches: Website, weekend events, (flip into mind-states)

· VOICE Anchors and cues:
§ Voice is close to a monotone using only a tiny vocal range and always starting on the same note for hours, used to enhance and Trigger Trance states,
§ flattened affect-emotions, hoarse, abrasive
§ Word Cues: Tea, says “insane” all the time,

· Covert HYPNOTIC STORIES: surreal hypnotic images, “Mesmerized”,
§ Tea: drink it, never know its tea, (drinking the Kool-aid metaphor?)
§ ANTS: eating ants on her salad, ants crawling all over her? Ants drawn to POISON in “ant hotel”, and then INFECT OTHERS. (excellent metaphor for the Katie seminar in the hotel). Love Death, murderer, kills ants with her hands and enjoys it? (remember that Carol Skolnick called her clients…Cli-Ants.) More insect metaphors, are her clients like ants to her, spreading and infecting eachother?
§ POISON: smile, poisoning, more poisoning metaphors.

§ WASHING MACHINE Induction: [CD #3, final 3 minutes]
§ there is a long 3 minute “story-induction" about a “washing machine” that was “stuck closed” and running and “would not open”, as the cycles kept running over and over, as Katie was “blind” and could not understand the instructions as they were in a foreign language. After about 5 hours of blind fumbling, Katie turned the dials and CLICK, the laundry cycle was complete, and the laundry was done after a circular repetetive cycle of 5 hours. (the CD set has 5 CD’s…get it?)

· [get the FULL-TEXT of this. and then send to some trained Erickosnian hypnotists for analysis]

§ Amsterdam Story induction QUOTES from Byron Katie: “heaven of heavens a WASHING MACHINE, it can’t get any better than this….eye problems…can’t see clearly, Cannot read the dial on Washing Machine, foreign language, forgotten some essential instructions on how to run the machine…clean clothes, 3 hours still running, “until the correct cycle completes, the door on the washing machine won’t open. So now I’m turning the dial by SOUND, my ear close to it listening to the clicks like a SAFE-CRACKER…door still doesn’t open, load of wet clothes in washing machine…door won’t open, are the wet clothes even clean?” “Notice feeling calm and tickled, always watching Mind and the way of it. There is nothing wrong, everything is right, the thought that the machine should work, or that the clothes should get clean, NEVER EVEN OCCURS TO ME. I’m just watching where reality goes next…Its fascinating… Is the goal to wash the clothes? Is the goal to wash the clothes in this machine? you never know?.. in another hour or two we may be headed for an Adventure at the laundromat up the street?”
§ “then suddenly I remembered that the landlord told me there is a little quirk in the washing machine, you have to turn the dial to a certain place to complete the cycle before the door will open…I turn it, the DOOR OPENS and finally after 5 HOURS..VOILA…THE LAUNDRY IS DONE.” [CD ends right at that moment]

§ The Washing Machine Induction Story, is a metaphor for your Unconscious mind, and what is being done to you in the CD program as you listen. The CD is 5 CD’s, the story is about 5 hours of “laundry”, the symbol for your unconscious Mind is the LOCKED CLOSED washing machine and Katie the SAFE-CRACKER, who turns the dials using SOUND (audio CD), after 5 hours of blind fumbling, and the “laundry is washed”. Mind-washing in 5 hours?
§ Code Words: dirty wet clothes = your current mind(dirty laundry), locked Washing Machine = Unconscious, Dials on the machine are Katie linguistic-image techniques, using SOUND is voice-inductions on CD, etc
§ Laundromat Metaphor: QUOTE: “in another hour or two we may be headed for an Adventure at the laundromat up the street?” The CD ends in a hour or two, and is the Laundromat Adventure, the Adventure of going to The School for 9 days for some Deep Cleaning? Does “The Landromat” = “The School” to wash those minds more deeply? Professional Mind-Washing?

· Female Targets, Soft-Sell, mainly at women
§ Desperate: 100’s of emails from desperate people saying HELP ME.
§ Pre-frame about not answering people’s desperate emails to her for help.
§ Children: lose your children, (died to you), detach from children,

· giving GIFTS grooming:
§ Lose everything gratefully, lose everything, encourages people to be generous, give things away…
§ Possessions: desire, again she says LOSE EVERYTHING,
§ GIFTS: expensive gifting to others, giving your wedding rings, purse, cash to stranger, its all good. (this is a pre-frame to the 9-day School), GIVE, Charity,

· ROBBERY: with gun, (don’t run!)
§ Story of her house robbed by burgulars, ALL POSSESSION stolen. No loss, feels JOY for the robbers. (Images: jewellry, gratitide for theft, pawn shop). Says she filed a police report, serves as a warning not to try to steal HER stuff! She’ll call the cops right away… ;-)

· CANCER-Illness:
§ False cancer claims, LOVE cancer, constantly using cancer in her stories.

· DEATH-murder images:
§ DEATH-MURDER: holocaust was not bad, death of a child is good! Death of a pet is good, just “eat cake” at a funeral , no grief or sadness for 911 terrorist attacks (but still parses words very carefully),
§ Death is wonderful, dead trees, dead leaves falling from the trees, (metaphor)
§ Personal Death-Bed Visitations? personally visited a man after his death. (are entire Estates being signed over on private death-bed visits?)

· Criticisms Pre-Frame: people talking about “lies”, and she says “I am a liar”, criticism is a gift, from Paul ex-husband,
§ A Criticized Revered Spiritual Teacher now becomes a HE, she blames YOU for projecting your faults onto the Revered Teacher. (if you find fault with her, it’s a fault with you).
§ Some Old Friend has proof of how unkind she was 25 years ago…just an illusion in his mind of course!
§ Daughter publically said what a terrible mother she was at a seminar in the past.

· MARRIAGE-DIVORCE: break up the love for the husband, (free love?), marriage, wants to break up marriages?…give everything?
§ She gives linguistic command about divorce, to laugh at divorce, comments about abused wives,
§ AFFAIRS: she says if her husband had one and IF it were not ok. Are some affairs OK? Grooming?

· Sex: surrendering, without control, no idea what can happen, orgasms that last so long they could kill you, nothing to attach too. Says she’s the perfect lover,

· Receiving MONEY: pretends to be a channel for money, and gives money? Spending money is good,

· Feb 1986 Stories-Myths (research to be done by investigative reporters)
§ Says it was a Rapture, Manic-Joy, manic-laughter,
§ She says she DOES NOT THINK, no thoughts, no Story, no Self, She says she is an “IT”, all Joy.
§ People calling her out of the blue to find Freedom, come and live in her house, (metaphor)
§ Cockroach story, 4 Questions story,
§ Illnesses: Osteoperosis, Face tumor?
§ Blindness Stories: EYES, pain, surgery, disease, surgery, she says one of her followers offered to donate his corneas to her, while he was still alive. (give Katie your actual eyes!).


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The Anticult
a friend just lent me a CD set...

A THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY, 6 hours of audio from someone named Byron Katie, and her renowned unknown hubbie Stephen Mitchell.
Lets put it on right now..

...New Age music...so spiritual...I am in a Trance already....
- Stephen Mitchell starts with a preframe, and the false origin Story.
- pitch the 4 Questions...this is very Trancy already...confusing less than 2 minutes in...
- PITCH WEBSITE, to recruit.

- starts with pitching hubbies book!! Tao Te Ka-Ching.
- Katie starts with pure Trance induction...totally confusion, created by talking about confusion! That is very elegant.
- Peace, stress, feelings, What Is, don't believe your Thoughts, Story, its all Jargon, meant to confuse.
- More PR of Steve's book! Ka-Ching!!!
- She says she is not a Guru Master, (means she is) Deflection...I am Not a guru, Anti-Guru blog.
- found The Way...then she says she MAY be a Master. (what a manipulator!)
- she is getting deeper into the Trance...more about the Tao...(book promo).

- this woman is not crazy at all, not at all. This is totally self-conscious hypnotic Induction. This is hypnosis 101, taking you inside...
- I am getting bored already...yadda yadda yadda...that is on purpose...part of the Induction...just words to smooth you into the DREAM..

-BOOM: she does Erickson Hypnosis RIGHT THERE. "it takes a moment for a child to fall into the Dreamworld" THAT IS YOU FOLKS..that is a command to the unconscious to the DREAMWORLD...pure hyposis, as taught by Bandler.
- random jargon...names...circular...illusion.
- This woman is a hypnotist,and very deceptive.
- more confusion, deeper, the mystery is no mystery...:-)
- this is just stage #1, mess with the conscious mind, to get it out of the way. She could talk about monkeys, it doesn't matter.

- mom is DYING from CANCER...Katie is Mother Theresa...she is dying from CANCER...more death, mom is dead.
- more on DEATH, mom is not dead...she loves her story about mom.
- More DEATH with a GUN pointed at her. Killing. Katie is not afraid of death by gun. She thanks him for pulling a gun on her. she is JOYFUL she is being robbed at gunpoint? (she is going to ROB you soon too, and you are going to like it too).
- there is no BAD or GOOD. the source is DARKNESS. Darkness is god? (this is about Evil).The Darkness is Good. Evil is Good? Is Katie Darth Vader?
- nothing is true. so LAUGH

-there is no good or bad. everything is beautiful.
- more confusing jargon...to push Mind away.there is no Reality.
- everything is God, even a car alarm.
- no such thing as a BAD ACTION. There is no BAD. No bad people? Even Hitler must not be bad then?
-STRONG VOICE CUE, RIGHT NOW, to being you in.
- going deeper, what was BAD is GOOD. Where is she going? Bad is good?
- TEACUP: this is an anchor she uses, Tea, Teacup...Tea Story...just LEADING you...
- LET GO of everything...to who? Katie?

-I don't know how much more of this tripe I can take!

- THE MASTER LEADS, Katie is leading your mind hypnotically.
- by now, Katie is The Master...She...more word twisting.
- SALAD story, to take you deeper into Trance, COLORS..induction to take you deeper...this is all still Pre-Trance work.
- More story, is just Hypnosis 101, inner storytelling, and she is LEADING YOU in it. This is Pacing and Leading.

- FALL ON THE FLOOR, time for a rest. Hilarious! The floor is now talking...Trance...
- Surreal dream images...
-This stuff is just filler, a pause in the Induction...now its morning..

- EYE DISEASE, poor Katie is sick again!!! Love her all you loving ladies! (what a female guilt manipulator).

- toothbrush Induction...shower, just leading you DEEPER INSIDE...bathtub induction...you are now NAKED and vulnerable with Sexy Katie ladies..
-make-up...accept your face as is? more female junk about make-up! :-)
- more Induction, with Stevo there too, with you NAKED, you and Steve...sexy...

- NEW STAGE: don't believe your thoughts...
- YOUR MIND OPENS..here we go ladies...OPEN THE MIND...

- Darkness, Void..is the womb, fall in LOVE WITH DARKNESS.
- more No Evil stuff...gee, guilty conscience much Katie?
- no sinners or saints...she is pushing pushing pushing...

- ALL SUFFERING IS MENTAL. installing her belief in you.
- Pain is HEAVEN!!! :-) Pain is your friend..
- Not conscious, back to the PHONE CALL cue,
- there are no victims...more DEATH stuff. ..prison, muder rape...she sure seems attracted to this?
- more death, little girl burnt to death to SHOCK YOU. You are open now, she is LEADING you...BLEW HIS MIND. (yours)
- its good the daughter is dead. maybe its for the best she's dead?

- INFINITE WORLDS: non-duality stuff...
- You are the world, you and Michael Jackson?
- Solipsism pitch! bingo! You are the world.
- everything is Katie

- DEATH, here we go!
- There is only Mind.
-STORY pitch. I Am.
- back to TOOTHBRUSH cue, to deepen Trance.

- My mind is tired just listening to this tripe, which is the GOAL.

- There is no DEATH, more about TORTURE.
- more BS about 1986, that needs to be investigated by an investigator.
- Master is always watching...
- more She She She,She is One...Katie is FUSING her with YOU. She wants to take OVER YOUR MIND. Literally.

- CLEAR MIND, Scientology?
- love being humble..hahah, LOVE being in the Audience...(pre-pitch for The School already).
- more metaphor hypnosis stuff...birds, stones...just for Trance...
-more CLEAR mind stuff...childlike...

- she is just doing Trance on people, WITHOUT TELLING THEM. Very nasty and unethical.

- there is no reality, no anything, no self...
- Last Judgement, back to the bathroom for Trance.

- I love Katie, me me me...SHE's almost BLIND, more sickness...more Katie she Love, Love LOves...
- trying to push a type of Mania..loving everything...LoveBomb starting...
- the floor is perfect...Trance about stairs, footsteps...rainbows...
- UP A STAIRCASE, the CD must be ending, to bring you out of theTrance...
- post-hypnoptic suggestions: more Love, don't believe Story,

- UP-Down are the same thing, inside-outside,
- mentions Work, NOTHING BELONGS TO ME...(like your Rolex?)

- back to more consicous confusion. There is no Self..setting hypnotic cues..chair, cup...
- you are the center of the Universe... you are Oneness, etc.

- BINGO!!!!!!
- IF i LOSE ALL MY MONEY - GOOD!
- IF I GET CANCER - GOOD!! (she loves the cancer gag)
- DIVORCE - GOOD!
- She does not try to IMPOSE HER WILL ON YOU. (stronger voice on those words, which is the command as she does impose it)
- CONVERT YOU, HEAL YOU, Lead people, false choice.
- found THE WORK inside her.
- some story about her kids...mom stuff...she's just a sweet mom guys....

- Now you mind is OPEN SPACE, for her!
- NOTHING TO LOSE...pre-frame...
- I am the center of everything, strong voice cue...
- you are comfortable with anyone, no matter how DEPRAVED.
- question your own Indentity...our world Changes...lose your entire world...
- trying to dissolve your mind...its all a metaphor...open your mind and heart...QUESTION YOUR THINKING.
- STORY, who are you? no hope or faith. Abundance...
- hypnosis cues again...Abundance, generousity...
- Self-Realization, gratitude...
- FUSION, come Home...to the Master.
- more colors, sounds, flavors, hypnosis cues...
- enjoy the show...be passive...

- Solipsism again...
-4 Questions pitch, Elightenment is a story,
-Thoughts..
- desert? Milton Erickson lived in Phoenix Arizona? Did she study with him?

- reversal questions, right out of the book. Classic.
- Is she enlightened? blah blah...loaded question.
- more about Thoughts...more confusing images, double-bind...
- MIND IS A TERRORIST. Mind is a nightmare. (wrong!)
- more gibberish about Nothingness...
- She is now The Master,
- walking throught the Questions..happy your wife left you for another man. (sounds like Swinger talk!!!),

-your problem is your THINKING...
- God prayer, Amen...She is Holy...but says she does not pray in the next breath!! :-)
- she says I LOVE YOU, in a sweet voice...to touch people.

- Thoughts, trying to disable the thinking mechanism...Death is a good as life.
- more STORY, stuff, that is The Landmark Forum, straight up.

- DEATH, more death of a husband! But there is no grief even with death! Grieving people must be a big Market for products? He is not dead, as he is her.
- The Master: her Work is done...and they think they did it...
- I LOVE BEING INVISIBLE, she says...so she's God? You are me, and I am you.
- Near Death Experience, she came back to SAVE US. (is this Katie?)

- She now diffuses that she is a Spiritual Teacher. you see me an an ENLIGHTENED BEING and an ALL-KNOWING GURU. or a good friend..(meant to create the Image in your mind).

- All she offers is the 4 Questions to disassemble your Idenity. She wants to mess with your Indentity. DIS-ASSEMBLE EVERYTHING THEY THINK THEY ARE she uses DIS-ASSEMBLE several times.

- have it for breakfast everyday...she talks about being an anti-guru. where have we heard that? Its delfection.
- preaching dependency...
(notice how she seems to say the exact opposite? That is a hypnotic suggestion)
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That was CD #1, and rough notes as I listened to it. Its very clear.

1) Rapport: this is the jokes, light conversation, pre-Trance BKI uses, they all do it.
2) Confusion: all of the double-binds, confusion, is meant to occupy the conscious mind, the part of you that might say.."am I being conned?" She overwhelms your Mind with it.
3) Trance: she leads you into Deep Trance using standard techniques, strange stories, etc. Very standard, up and down in Trance to make it deeper, etc.
4) once you get deep enough, she starts with the Suggestions, planting ideas like seeds, her Beliefs start to get planted in your mind.
5) admits she is going to completely Dis-assemble your Identity and your Mind. That is very scary folks, she can do it.
6) get you into The School for The Work LGAT, and do 100 other things to take over your Mind.

So, she is using very sophisticated Waking Hypnosis, influenced strongly by Ericksonian Hypnosis. The goal is to deeply bond with you with a Love-transference, and hypnotize you while awake, and then to LEAD you somewhere. The CD will eventually suggest The School, and other avenues. But the first CD lays the groundwork.
In this type of hypnosis, whatever she says...even the negatives, are meant to create Images of her in your mind, that she is an Enlightened Being, even God herself.

Clearly she is amoral, and does not see there is anything such as Good or Bad. So if someone "robs" you, like she said, that's GOOD. So if she robs you at hypnotic gunpoint, that is GOOD too.

Its funny, about the 100K story, when the person said their family member handed over 100K to Katie. I thought before, if someone pulled a gun and robbed you of 100K, they go to jail.
But if you hypnotise them, and they give it to you, you are still robbing them, but its legal? Funny she should use that metaphor of being robbed at gunpoint and loving it?

This woman is 100% totally sane. Very very smart, and an excellent but abusive hypnotherapist, and noone knows she is even doing it.
All that weird stuff, is just waking hypnotic Induction Stories to get to the unconscious. She has just chosen to do them all the time in public, to create a hypnotic distortion field. Nothing new in anything she is doing.
But she is very good. She is no different that this Wendi woman, but Wendi seems to at least tell you she is doing hypnosis. [www.wendi.com] Ask Wendi about Byron Katie,and she will laugh out loud.(but watch out for Wendi too! She seems to be more about selling stuff, not being a culty Guru, so far).

Byron Katie is very dangerous, why? Because she is doing it all covertly to vulnerable people, and making herself into some type of Enlightened Being, for her own selfish reasons.

Probably the best way to block it, is to tell everyone that EVERY WORD Byron Katie says in public is part of a covert waking HYPNOSIS. Just let everyone know that...
WARNING: BYRON KATIE IS DOING WAKING HYPNOSIS ON YOU ALL THE TIME.

She keeps it secret, as knowing it, wrecks her process. So tell everyone, shout it from the housetops.

Its waking hypnosis, with every other trick of the LGAT thrown in at The School.
It would not be surprising if sometime in the future an investigator turns up evidence she studied some of the Milton Erickson material, as well of course as all the LGAT stuff, like The Landmark Forum, and the rest of the LGAT's from the 1970's-80's to the present..

Its not surprising that Stever Robbins is her good buddy, he sees what she is doing, and they both have the same Ethics. (zero). To go out and do this heavy stuff to soccer moms, and trusting people, WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, it really is wrong. Its not only wrong, its sick. Its leading people into her dark world, for her own reasons.
Its simply a flagrant abuse of this type of hypnosis and persuasion, as its all hidden.
Stay far far away from this woman. Don't "believe" a single word she says...its all Trance Induction waking hypnosis, and embedded suggestions, meant to draw you under her spell...

___________________________________(item reference)_____
A Thousand Names for Joy: A Life in Harmony with the Way Things Are [ABRIDGED] [AUDIOBOOK] (Audio CD)
by Byron Katie (Reader), Stephen Mitchell (Reader)
Audio CD
Publisher: RH Audio; Abridged edition (February 6, 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 073934188X

A Thousand Names for Joy: Living in Harmony with the Way Things Are (Hardcover)
by Byron Katie (Author), Stephen Mitchell (Author)
Product Details
Hardcover: 304 pages
Publisher: Harmony (February 6, 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0307339238

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: January 21, 2023 05:26AM

I read one of Byron Katie's books, it was utter rubbish but I can see how it draws people in. It's aimed at our desire for pure escapism.

Is your life a bit messy? Does it bother you? If you answered 'yes' to both these questions (as 99.9% of the general population would) then you can be led into the false (but seductive) belief that it's only your wrong-thinking that is at fault.

You just need to love evil, laugh at bad stuff, enjoy suffering and you will be fine.

Are you unhappy? No, you are mistaken. You are not unhappy, you are enjoying your problems and actively seeking more problems. What? You don't agree? Just buy more of my 'self-development' products and you will see what you have been missing.

Once you've read everything and listened to my voice for hours, you can come and work for me for free for the rest of your life. I'll get rich but you will learn to love your suffering even more.

It's a win-win situation. (Well, it's a win for me, and I don't care about you!)

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