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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: cookyspooky ()
Date: June 23, 2010 02:38AM

Boo -

" if someone is weak and they turn to alcohol it is a choice, but if they swallow everything presented to them in an online forum, they are "taken"?"

Addiction is addiction. I'm all for people doing whatever they choose to make themselves feel better, however, when the "choice" is a destructive one, such as alcohol or abandoning your family after draining the family bank account, (as my sister has because she was told they were "old energy" by these "leaders" and encouraged to abandon her past, including her two young sons) intervention is sometimes called for. Anyone who falls into this trap is looking for a way out of something in their lives, and when they choose to drown in spiritual awakening instead of whiskey, this is where we come to find others who were abandoned as we were. There are similar boards for families of alcoholics. We're here trying to understand what happened and why.

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: without_wings ()
Date: December 15, 2011 09:29AM

The CC teaches that everything is inside and not to worship anyone, just love yourself.

SHAUMBRA can have sexual/loving relationships with anyone!

I wish you guys went to the SHAUMBRA forum for information, and asked there, rather than relying on dirt surfacing here. It could have saved your marriages or other relationships.


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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: zathath ()
Date: March 16, 2012 02:50AM

Hi Tohan,

You say you have been to the Crimson Circle for 8 years. Then you asked us to follow another guru by the name of Torben Hansen. I looked into his website.

Torben Hansen says:

- NASA who have been launching rockets to the moon are satanists.

- CIA who protect the united states of america against spies are satanists.


Torben Hansen says masturbation is wrong, and satanist. He says Crimson Circle talks about it.

Ok here's the deal:

90% of the content on the internet is pornography.

That content is there because america laws allows it.

That content is there because people in the USA voted for it.

So, 300,000,000 people in america actually support masturbation on the internet.

And you say that Torben Hansen isn't a maniac?

Torben Hansen says that Crimson Circle is wrong.

But guess what, Torben Hansen want you to join another better cult, actually:

Here's the link to where Torben Hansen thinks the good cult is:



It's just more channelings, and new age dogmas!

Hi there !

I have been joining the crimsoncircle for 8 years.

They are controlling, misleading people, delivering destorting spiritual information.

Do not worship anybody, be yourself, you have the ruth inside. You can always gain information and use what is ethical and integrated.

Look at and see what I have found out.

It is cult and dark.

If you feel for it spread the information to so many people as possible.

Warmly Torben Hansen

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 02, 2017 08:48AM

BEL MOONEY: My wife has left me after 37 years, for 'a cult'

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Dear Bel,
Married for 37 years, my wife and I had normal ups and downs. We have three boys, all doing well, and a comfortable lifestyle.

Three or four years ago she told me she didn’t like our life and resented everything associated with being a wife: the daily chores of cooking meals and being at home (she hasn’t worked since our eldest was born).

At the same time she got involved with a group called The Crimson Circle — which (as best I can fathom) is about finding your true self. But I reckon it’s like a potentially divisive (and expensive) cult.

She believes this is the way forward: the focus of her life and raison d’être There’s no talking to her about it. She said she must find her true self and it makes us incompatible, so we must separate.

We did — 12 months ago. Living apart, I’m all for telling myself to get someone else and restart my life, but I do love her and miss the companionship we had. There are no other parties involved — except this group. I cannot fight their indoctrination via webinars etc. And they have seminars which cost about £1,500 to £2,000 a time, that she feels obliged to attend.

She thinks she’s found the solution to her problems and her ‘true friends’ — spending hours listening to their videos. I’m convinced she’s become brainwashed. Her head is elsewhere and I don’t know how to turn it around.
We’ve now talked about divorce as I can’t just limp on. My heart is still with her, as I love her to bits, but my head tells me I’m fighting a losing battle and should just call it a day and walk away.

Tonight she called me about a future family birthday celebration and I realised that we are no longer building projects together, nor planning a retirement together. I feel sad to have come this far with her, only to be defeated by what I see as a big scam. Any advice?

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It is a shame that the advice columnist jumped to the conclusion that something was lacking in the marriage.

The advice columnist would do well to get and read Margaret Singer's Cults in Our Midst and Cults Inside Out by Rick Ross.

Cults recruit. People in quite happy relationships can be deceived and sucked in.

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: NancyDraws ()
Date: July 04, 2020 08:57AM

I know this is an old thread but this cult is still active. My sister is a part of it and I’m concerned about her and her children’s well-being. She says she will never need to work because everything will appear for her. She’s wasted many years of her life on this. She believes she’s one of the special ones in the group. She’s been involved in this stuff for many years.

About 10 years ago, I would just get frustrated trying to have a reasonable conversation with her. Eventually, I gave up hoping that it would go away after some time but it has only become worse. Has anyone been able to help someone out of this cult? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you!

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 04, 2020 10:58AM

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Geoffrey Hoppe (born Geoffrey Alan Hoppe on August 26, 1955, in Appleton, Wisconsin United States) is the founder and CEO of the Crimson Circle Energy Company, Inc.

Hoppe claims that in 1997 on an airplane flight a non-physical entity he calls "Tobias of the Crimson Council" presented himself and began conversing with him.[1][2][3][4] Hoppe contends that since then he has been able to channel Tobias, as well as the ascended masters Adamus Saint-Germain and Kuthumi. He claims to do so by going through the process of making his consciousness and physical body available and allowing Tobias, Saint-Germain or Kuthumi to speak through him.[1][3][5]

In 1999 Hoppe, together with his wife and partner Linda Benyo, founded the Crimson Circle as a means to bring Tobias’ messages to a wider audience. In 2006 the Crimson Circle was incorporated as the Crimson Circle Energy Company, Inc., based in Incline Village, Nevada USA.[1]

1 Career
2 Tobias of the Crimson Council
3 The Crimson Circle
4 Teachings
5 Tuning In
6 Selected writings and other publications
7 See also
8 Notes
9 Further reading
10 External links


Geoffrey Hoppe is a self-made marketing and advertising consultant, who started in public relations at 18 at NASA's Ames Research Center, where he fulfilled his obligation to the US Army.[6] After he left the military he worked for several advertising agencies and manufacturing companies in the US Midwest and Texas in senior marketing positions.[1][7] At age 28 he started a marketing consulting company in Dallas, Texas (USA), operating it for 12 years with industrial and high tech clients throughout the United States. In addition to the marketing agency, he co-founded several other business ventures including Aircell Inc., an aviation telecommunications company, where he served as Vice President of Sales and Marketing until 2001.[1][8] As a result of his involvement with Aircell he holds two US patents in telecommunication systems.[9][10]

In the mid-nineties Hoppe and his wife and partner Linda Benyo became involved with the metaphysical through the work of Lee Carroll, channeler for Kryon.[3][4] Hoppe was instrumental in establishing an Internet platform for Lee Carroll's work with Kryon,[11][12] as well as the birth of the "Kryon Quarterly Magazine" (later renamed "In the Spirit").[12][13][14]
Tobias of the Crimson Council

Following in the footsteps of Lee Carroll, Hoppe established himself as a channeler in his own right in 1999.[3][4][14] The entities that Hoppe claims he channels are Tobias, Saint-Germain and Kuthumi.[1][15][16] Tobias - according to Hoppe - is an angelic being who has lived many lifetimes on Earth, but is most noted for his lifetime as Tobit (also known as Tobias), one of the main characters in the apocryphal biblical Book of Tobit.[4][14][17][18]
The Crimson Circle

Hoppe began sharing Tobias’ messages publicly in 1999 on a monthly basis.[4] The first public messages were shared in Hoppe's living room with a small circle of friends that became known as the Crimson Circle or "the classroom of the New Energy".[3][5][14][17] In the year 2000 the monthly meetings started to be broadcast over the Internet.[14] Since then the Crimson Circle has grown into what has come to be known as "a global affiliation of new energy teachers" with over 300,000 visitors per month from over 130 countries around the world to the website[15][17] and a worldwide audience of around 20,000 people who tune into the monthly webcast.[3][18] The text of the monthly messages - called "shouds" – are currently translated into more than 20 languages by local volunteers and are published on as many local websites, which link to the main, U.S.-based Crimson Circle website.[19]

In 2006 the Crimson Circle Energy Company, Inc. was founded to incorporate the work Hoppe and his partner Benyo were doing based on what they termed "The Tobias Materials." The Crimson Circle Energy Company, Inc. offers holistic and spiritual lifestyle messages, products and services. One of its primary purposes is to support a worldwide group of affiliate teachers through its Advanced Studies program.[17][20]

The core message of the material is that God is within and that humanity is currently going through an unprecedented time of change where it is moving from a God-as-external consciousness to a God-is-within consciousness.[15]

Other core concepts of the material are:

Humans are eternal angelic beings living out finite physical lifetimes on Earth (human angels). The Earthly experience is only a small part of the soul's evolution.[2][3]
Humanity is at a point in its collective evolution where it is going through an unprecedented time of change as it moves into a new era for humanity, what is being named the era of New Energy.[18]
This change occurs first and foremost on a personal level, as people go through an individual awakening process [18] and become aware of their divine origins. In Tobias’ words, "you are God also!".[5][14][17] This also awakens people to the fact that they are the sole creator of their own life and experience (there are no victims!).[2][21]
Humanity is transitioning from the age of the mind into the age of divine consciousness, moving beyond a dualistic existence and the limited human mind into a state of unity consciousness and divine intelligence.[18]
It only takes a small group of forerunners to break down the old paradigms and create the templates for the new ones. That is where so-called ‘Lightworkers’ or ‘Shaumbra’, as well as the new kids (Indigo children) come in, as they are the ones who choose to break out of the mold and clear the path for the rest of humanity to follow, setting a standard and offering guidance to those who follow.[2][3][5][14][15]
The teachings and the work of the Crimson Circle is primarily aimed at this group of consciousness workers, guiding them through their own awakening process, stimulating them to take on their role as standard and guide for those who follow, and supporting them as so-called ‘new energy teachers'.[3][5][17]

Tuning In

In 2008 Hoppe was one of six channelers that were interviewed in the film documentary "Tuning In." In this feature length American documentary six U.S. channelers are interviewed, as well as the entity that they claim speaks through them.[2][21][22]
Selected writings and other publications

Hoppe, Geoffrey (1999 - present). "Crimson Circle Library" (video, audio and text). Golden, CO USA: Crimson Circle Energy Company Inc. Retrieved 2013-01-21. Check date values in: |year= (help)

Hoppe, Geoffrey (2002). The Tobias Materials: The Creator Series - New Tools for Our New Spiritual Journey. Golden, CO USA: Sundance Group, Inc. ISBN 1-59231-002-8.

Adamus Saint-Germain (2007). Masters in the New Energy. Incline Village, NV USA: Crimson Circle Press. ISBN 1-59231-003-6.

Hoppe, Geoffrey (2008). "A Letter to Awakening Humans" (PDF). The Tobias Material. Incline Village NV USA: Crimson Circle Energy Company Inc. Retrieved 2008-12-12.

Tobias and Yoham (2008). Call to Awaken (Audio-CD). CCIP, Inc.

Geoffrey Hoppe and Yoham (2009). Opening into Consciousness - A Guided Experience (Audio-CD). CCIP, Inc.

Hoppe, Geoffrey; Tobias. "The Twelve Signs of Your Awakening Divinity". Archived from the original on 2013-11-25. Retrieved 2013-11-24.

Adamus Saint-Germain (2012). Live Your Divinity: Inspiration for New Consciousness. Weiser Books. ISBN 978-1-57863-5245.

David Thomas (interviewer), Lee Carroll, Geoffrey Hoppe, Steve Rother, Jim Self (2012). Tuning In Again, Vol. 1 (DVD+CD-ROM). Awakening Zone Radio Network.

Hoppe, Geoffrey; Benyo, Linda (2013). Journey of the Angels: The Tobias Materials. Weiser Books. ISBN 978-1-57863-5467.
See also

Book of Tobit
Comte de Saint-Germain
Crimson Circle (disambiguation page)
List of channelled texts


Adamus Saint-Germain (2007). "About Geoffrey Hoppe". Masters in the New Energy. Incline Village, NV USA: Crimson Circle Press. p. 17. ISBN 1-59231-003-6.
David, Thomas (2008). Tuning In - Spirit Channelers in America (Film Documentary). Beverly Hills, CA USA: Mouska Media.
Whitney, Nicole (January 10, 2005). "Geoffrey Hoppe & Tobias [Radio-interview]". Vancouver B.C. Canada: News for the Soul. Archived from the original (RealPlayer) on October 24, 2005. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Rumbolo, Joe (April 30, 2009). "Geoffrey Hoppe, Linda Benyo and Tobias [Radio-Interview]" (Streaming audio). St. Louis, MO USA: Blog Talk Radio. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Collard, Janelle (Interviewer) (2006-08-26). "Geoffrey Hoppe & Linda Benyo". Virtual Light TV. Las Vegas NV USA: Lightworker. segments 2&3. Archived from the original on 2009-03-09. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
"About Geoffrey Hoppe". Westminster, CO USA: DHP Aviation Consulting. Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
"Geoffrey Hoppe". Linkedin. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
"Geoffrey Hoppe". Spirit Library. Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
US 5884166, Ray, J.C.; Robert L. George & Geoffrey A. Hoppe et al., "Multidimensional cellular mobile telecommunication system", issued 1999-03-16
US 5878346, Ray, J.C.; Robert L. George & Geoffrey A. Hoppe et al., "Nonterrestrial cellular mobile telecommunication network", issued 1999-03-02
Carroll, Lee. "About In The Spirit - How it All Began [editorial]". In the Spirit. Del Mar, CA USA: Kryon Publishing Office. Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Carroll, Lee. "Kryon at the United Nations 1996". Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Harris, Barbara. "Welcome to Our Home [editorial]". In the Spirit. Del Mar, CA USA: Kryon Publishing Office (May 21, 2001). Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Miejan, Tim. "The Tobias Channelings". The Edge Newspaper. Minneapolis/St Paul, MN USA (August 2001). Archived from the original on 2009-08-05. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
"Ten Questions and Answers for The Gathering [Interview]". Archived from the original on 2009-09-30. Retrieved 2009-01-29.
"Geoffrey Hoppe". IMDb. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
Adamus Saint-Germain (2007). "About the Crimson Circle". Masters in the New Energy. Incline Village, NV USA: Crimson Circle Press. p. 19. ISBN 1-59231-003-6.
Whitney, Nicole (July 9, 2005). "Geoffrey Hoppe (Radio interview)". Vancouver B.C. Canada: News for the Soul. Archived from the original (RealPlayer) on October 24, 2005. Retrieved 2009-07-06.
"Crimson Circle international page". Archived from the original on 2013-12-02. Retrieved 2013-11-25.
Crimson Circle Advanced Studies
"An Interview with the Creators of "Tuning In" Movie – Spirit Channelers in America". Cosmic Lighthouse Metaphysics Magazine (14). October 2008. Archived from the original on December 5, 2008. Retrieved 2009-07-06.

"Tuning In (2008) [film documentary]". IMDb. Retrieved 2009-07-06.

Further reading

Buechner, Frederick (1997). On the Road with the Archangel. San Francisco, CA USA: HarperOne. ISBN 0-06-061125-1.
External links

Aircell Business Aviation Services LLC
Awakening Zone Radio
The Crimson Circle
Tuning In - the Movie

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: lostmywife ()
Date: November 11, 2022 02:14AM

Thanks for accepting me. I’m leaving this here because I don’t know where else to turn.

8 months ago my wife did not come home from work, I found out when school called that she didn’t pick up the kids, and that same evening I discover that our shared account has been nearly emptied out.

It took weeks to get a hold of her and when I finally did she told me that she is not coming back and that she is in a relationship with some called Adamus, which at first I thought was just this german guy but as the weeks passed and I had a few calls with her I realized it’s not a guy at all or not really. Adamus Saint Germain is a supposed entity that lives inside a guy called Geoffrey Hoppe who runs this cult called crimson circle (

She is in a sexual relationship with this Adamus / Hoppe, has taken most of my money and says she is never coming back.

It’s been 8 months now of irregular, short, messed up text messages from her but last night she ended all contact with me last night and said that she is staying with him in Colorado. She doesn’t want to even see the kids again (they’re 5 and 7). She says every time she texts back that she’s realized now, when I asked her what it meant she says she is an ascended master now and being with Adamus has made her realize that. Being with him sexually, I mean! It’s absolutely disgusting what this man made her believe. She was never like this, she never even went to church and now she thinks she’s like jesus?

I don’t know what to do or who to reach out to as her parents died over a decade ago. I was shocked to read about this Geoffrey and his crimson circle here, I knew she listened to stuff online but nothing like this! I found whole websites dedicated to this scam and an article from a UK newspaper that interviewed a guy who had the same thing happen to his wife. Does anyone have the same experience?

In the meantime I’ve been watching some of this crimson circle stuff online and I can’t believe the bullshit I’m seeing. The guy is an absolute scam artist and I can’t believe my wife would fall for this crap! What can I do? How can I get our savings back that she gave to him?

I love my wife even after all this and all I want is for her to come home.

I know we can fix this with therapy if needed. If only I can get her out of geoffrey hoppe's clutches!

The messed up thing is that if you watch his stuff he’s presenting with his wife (!) all cute and loving but in the meantime he’s sleeping with my wife and god knows who else.

If anyone knows anything, please send me a pm.

I spoke with police earlier today for perhaps the tenth time but they said they can’t do anything for me at this point. She’s an adult and she’s there of her free will. I’m desperate because as it stands by the looks I seem to have lost my wife to this guy and this scam. Any info anything that could help is highly appreciated as I don’t know what else to do at this point but file for divorce and move on with our kids.

I can post screenshots of all the text messages she sent me over the months if you want to see them but I’ll do so later because I’m too agitated at the moment. I’ve also got texts directly from him in which he basically admits all of this and thinks it’s all very funny that my wife is with him now. She’s also not the only one. The authorities need to do something about this cult!

Ps. To Nancy draws, I know your message is from 2020 but I hope your sister is alright! It seems like she ended up in the same situation as my wife. Is she home now? If so, can she help me get through to these people so I can talk to my wife?

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: lostmywife ()
Date: November 11, 2022 02:28AM

One of the sickest things I found out about this group is that a bunch of years ago they had an event on one of the islands of Hawaii where one of the people attending the event went for a walk and either drowned or killed herself. When the family wanted answers and showed up in colorado during one of his live shows this dude had the audacity to "channel" the woman that died and claimed to her family that she was ascended while they were crying their eyes out demanding answers. The man is a hypnotist, a hypocrite, a charlatan and a scam artist. He is dangerous and should be stopped by the authorities.

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: lostmywife ()
Date: November 11, 2022 02:37AM

Another thing I found out is that several years ago geoffrey hoppe tried to take his cult and the company he created for it public, on the stock market. He sold stock to a bunch of his members, some even paid 500.000 USD, then he never took the company public and never paid anyone their money back. There's a whole website on this with proof and statements from people that he scammed. And there's a bunch more on this guy and his cult. I'm surprised that he's still operating in the US to be honest.

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Re: Crimson Circle?
Posted by: lostmywife ()
Date: November 11, 2022 02:38AM

Again, if anyone has any info on how to help my get back in touch with my wife and even better get her out, then please pm me! I'm thinking of driving up there and try to find her with the local authorities tbh, don't know what else I can do. (Sorry, I'll stop hogging the thread now)

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