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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: July 20, 2020 12:10PM

Hey everyone, I hope this finds you well. I just want to say thank you to everyone on this forum, you are all very strong, & resilient. It feels impossible to move on, but it is necessary in order to move into deeper quietness & peace. Not more sides to pick, people telling you what is right or wrong, good or evil, who to worship or not worship, who to talk to or not talk to, what to do or not do. Im happy for you.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: stefa ()
Date: July 21, 2020 09:23AM

Heythere1010101 Wrote:
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> Not more sides to pick,

Heythere, can you elaborate on the sides? How many? What is the belief of each side?

> people telling you what is right or wrong,

Can you provide a listing of what was considered right (e.g. surrender physical body to God? or Accept god's choice of who your spouse should be?) and another list of what is wrong? (e.g. not spending a night with God when requested??)

> good or evil

Can you specify what was considered good and what would be evil?
e.g. arranged relationships is good?
e.g. having a natural liking for a team member from the opposite sex is evil?

> who to worship or not worship

And again, who are you suppose to worship, and who not to worship?
worship god and his angels (inner team)?

> who to talk to or not talk to

What are the restrictions, written and unwritten?

Who can you not talk to? Is there someone in the team where you have to report to regularly? If so, what are the reporting requirements? Do you spy and report on one another? Like who is having a secret relationship with who?

> what to do or not do

What do you need to do? e.g. 15 hour shift work, 7 days a week?

What can you not do? taking a walk by the countryside? take photos of landscape?

> Im happy for you.
Happy for you also.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Date: August 05, 2020 06:26AM

Hello friends! Here's something that's doing the rounds online today from the wonderful and wise teacher Stephan Bodian.
(I've put the MANY things I think apply to Tony Moo in bold)


Reflections on the integrity of spiritual teachers by Stephan Bodian:

"Recently I learned of yet another teacher who had lost sight of her function as a spiritual guide and begun imposing her personal agenda on others. I first became aware of the numerous ways a spiritual teacher can misuse their power when the Zen master I’d been studying with turned out to be an alcoholic who was propositioning students in the interview room and having an extramarital affair with his principal female disciple.

Since then, I’ve watched a series of teachers take advantage of their position and leave confused and disillusioned students in their wake. Fortunately, there are also some excellent, ethical, wise, and compassionate teachers in the nondual tradition. But as students we would do well to to keep in mind some basic principles when we interact with those who offer us guidance. Here are a dozen guidelines I’ve gleaned from my years exploring this issue, framed as a description of the teacher who lives in alignment with truth."


- The true teacher doesn’t need anything from you, including your love, admiration, veneration, power, or money.

- She/He does not require your loyalty or allegiance to anything but the truth of your being as you understand it.

- His/Her primary purpose is to further your spiritual unfolding, not to build her organization or expand her popularity on social media.

- The teacher does not attempt to organize, orchestrate, or control your personal life and does not purport to know what’s best for you on a personal level.

- He doesn’t take himself to be a teacher and doesn’t take you to be a student, except as temporary roles in the dance of existence. In the absence of any projection, you’re free to realize who you really are.

- The guru is an archetype or energy, not an individual person. Be careful about projecting this archetype onto a fallible human being, it’s a set-up for disillusionment and exploitation.

- The true teacher doesn’t take himself to be a guru but points instead to the true guru inside you.

- The true teacher is aware of the tendency among seekers to idealize their teachers and project their own assumptions and expectations upon them. Knowing this, the teacher doesn’t (mis)use these projections for their own personal gain and aggrandizement.

- The teacher realizes that “enlightened person” is an oxymoron and does not take possession of this identity. In the presence of enlightenment, the ego is absent—that’s why it’s called enlightenment.

- The teacher is merely the finger pointing at the radiant moon of your true nature. Once you’ve glimpsed the moon, you needn’t focus on the finger.

- The realization “I am That” reveals that there is only That, not that there is only me. The first is called awakening; the second is called narcissism.

- The teacher has a responsibility to be impeccable in their dealings with students, because they represent a world of meaning that the student reveres and aspires to understand.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: zizlz ()
Date: August 05, 2020 08:50PM

Awesome! Everybody who even thinks of listening to a spiritual teacher should read that message. Do you have a source, so I can share the link? Google wasn't helpful.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Date: August 06, 2020 06:27AM

I agree zizlz!
The post is from Stephan Bodian's facebook page. Here's the link:
[www.facebook.com]

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: zizlz ()
Date: August 07, 2020 12:07AM

Thanks!

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