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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Gaja ()
Date: May 18, 2020 07:20AM

He totally doesn't care about what I feel, about how much harm happened to me as a consequence of his unconsciousness. He literally doesn't care if I was dead there on the street, whatever happened to me this is fine to him.
It is obvious to me, that I was and I'm totally not important to him and my life is also.

I would treated better a dog, than he treated me.

Well I guess this is easy for enlightened people, abuse people, and come back and celebrate life with those who they truly care about. Who cares about what happenes to those who enlightened one abused. It doesn't matter. They trusted them, they will feel better, they stop suffer, but no, it turns out they paid for more trouble, and more suffering.

Let people worship your God, worship Moo he is big hero, he abuses women. He is really great.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: May 21, 2020 09:01PM

Over the ages, people of all religions have used their beliefs to justify their actions. It is easy for Mooji and Krishnabai to act this way because they feel it is there "responsibility" to act this way. They sincerely believe their 'job' is to 'convert' people, to Advaita (which is the worst thing you could do with a teaching like this) just as any evangelical religious fanatics want to do.
The difference between Advaita new-age version craze and others, is that, there are many universal truths connected to a teaching as ancient and advanced as Advaita, it FEELS true, and so it feels true when you start walking around pretending you are literally god. However, taken out of context, Advaita can turn into just as much of a shit show as any other religion.
In Advaita the focus is advancing (very) gradually to a 'Unified State' - or an 'Enlightened State' - the "True Self' - "Atman" - the "Highest Reality', these concepts become greater than the practice itself in the new age world. The focus on the new-age version is instantaneous 'awakening'.
The terms "Enlightenment", "Atman", Brahman, becomes inseparable from the concept of an "all-knowing' God.
'I', unified with "Oneness" becomes the desired reality or "God" in a misinterpretation of Advaita. If you are 'separate' or 'un-unified' this is now the 'enemy' or opposite of 'God' ('Evil', 'demonic')
Hopefully that makes sense. In Mooji's world, in Mooji's version of Vedanta, he pushes the narrative of attaining your "Highest Self" (Mooji coined terminology).
What he's actually talking about is reaching the perfected APPEARANCE of the ego state, as though, if you exude enough 'spiritualness' you will be seen and believed to be 'enlightened' and this is important on your journey to 'enlightenment'. I think this is what is essentially taught because it is basically what he himself believes and how he lives his life.
This is a common trait of delusion within spirituality, it is ESPECIALLY common within New-Age combined with Advaita Vedanta circles as they push the narrative that you are literally 'god', misconstruing the entire point of the practice.
I did this for years, before I ever heard of mooji, just from reading and practicing Advaita Vedanta in a reckless, new-agey way.
It is very tricky not to be completely deluded into thinking the message is literally that you are in fact 'god' and so justifying all of your actions on that point, while feeling pretty good about it.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: May 21, 2020 09:05PM

In short, they are entirely deluded, they believe they are doing humanity a favor by acting and treating people the way that they do, they believe they are justified in these things because they are 'High Spiritual Beings'

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: May 21, 2020 09:07PM

The psychology behind all of this is very important to understand when looking at this. Without addressing the psychology of why a phenomena like Mooji or Sahaja would occur, it is utterly confusing and unclear as to why or how something like this happens

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: May 21, 2020 09:33PM

Also this is important for all of the people affected by the Mooji craze, or mooji himself, it's not him hating you or anything you did to deserve the treatment you got, HE is thinking this is the 'right' thing to do, he is thinking he is 'helping' people, he is thinking he is 'saving' you from a lifetime of delusion.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 21, 2020 11:10PM

Why Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad

[nautil.us]

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Leavingmooji ()
Date: May 23, 2020 09:01AM

Conditions for attending a retreat with the Mooji:


Approach the retreat with the understanding that it is not a casual event—it is for those earnestly seeking Self-realisation in this life.`

Complete the entire retreat and to attend each and every Satsang session without exception. We also ask everyone to remain in the hall until Moojibaba has left the room.

Respect and abide by the code of silence for the full duration of the retreat.

Move quietly with your attention resting in silent awareness. To ensure that that attention is not pulled outward, there is strictly no socialising, no physical or eye contact, talking, singing, dancing, reading, writing or use of phones, cameras, other mobile devices, or the internet during the retreat. This greatly supports you making the most of your opportunity and also honouring the retreat of other participants.

If you are attending the retreat with a partner or friend, you agree to not communicate with each other during the retreat in any way. Please respect the Satsang of your loved ones and other retreat participants.

Present questions to Mooji in a simple, open and honest way. Avoid sharing personal stories, but come as though this is your only opportunity for freedom. Please understand and respect that it is only during Satsang that Mooji invites questions—he will not receive questions afterwards.

Refrain from using intoxicants or recreational drugs for the duration of the retreat.

Wear modest clothing throughout the retreat, avoiding tight, revealing or transparent clothes.

Silent Retreats are not a replacement for any therapy or other medical treatment or diagnosis. If you are currently receiving or have previously received any medical treatment or therapy for issues related to mental health, this retreat may not be suitable for you. Therefore, for those with a history of serious mental health conditions, it is not advisable to attend this retreat without ensuring it is reasonably safe to do so. Please check with a specialist healthcare practitioner whether attending the retreat is suitable for you at this time. More information can be found here.

You agree to have your image and voice recorded and possibly used for the sharing of Satsang on DVD, mp3 and on the Internet. All recorded material will be used to serve Satsang only. Images of all individuals will be treated with the utmost sensitivity and respect.

It is essential that those who intend to join this retreat watch these important videos:
An Invitation to Freedom
A Simple and Profound Introduction to Self-Inquiry
A Direct Introduction to Perfect Presence






What the actual fuck. It seems more like a prision than a “spiritual retreat”. How in the world I fell for this bullshit. So glad for being able to use my mind again and seeing the whole falacy of it.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Leavingmooji ()
Date: May 23, 2020 09:03AM

Source: [mooji.org]


Pd: check the humble prices, especially for those “broadcasting online”. I think I’m dropping college and becoming a guru. Easiest way to become a millonaire playboy hahaha

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: stefa ()
Date: May 23, 2020 05:52PM

Leavingmooji Wrote:
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> Source: [mooji.org]
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> Pd: check the humble prices, especially for those
> “broadcasting online”. I think I’m dropping
> college and becoming a guru. Easiest way to become
> a millonaire playboy hahaha

Hello Leavingmooji, if you plan on becoming a guru, you need to apply to heaven, the most powerful place, where beautiful beings reside and where the most powerful god in the universe make his home. You could start with sending god's international apprenticeship team a video introducing yourself, expressing your earnest desire to be a guru's apprentice. An EU citizenship will definitely turn the application to your advantage since you can stay there for extended periods of time and/or when you get involved with one of the heavenly beings there (who is not an EU citizen) help them to obtain citizenship, so that they can also stay there. If this happens, don't expect the relationship to last, because god may decree otherwise for often very good reasons. Remember let not your will, but god's will be done.

It is a beautiful apprenticeship program they offer to loose yourself. You will be assigned as a member of one of the service houses e.g. housekeeping (including toilet washing), kitchen, building, landscaping, where you work for 12/24, 7/7 in service of god. You will need to pay some good Euros for this, but I assure you it is worth it. If you are lucky to have found favor with the arch angels, you may be reassigned to reception, AV, bean counting or security services. Initially, you will be very confused and/or humiliated in front of everybody. That helps to dissolve your ego and immerse your true self in the spirit of god. The whole process will take two - twenty years. It is still possible that after spending twenty years there that you feel you are still 'stuck' with yourself. A few frustrated ones have even ended their lives. Submission is the key, the more you submit, the faster you will loose yourself. Some angels who have completely submitted their soul and body are promoted to serve the god's household, where you can always be in close proximity to god and be everywhere with him 24/24, 7/7. Do take note that if your ego shows its tail in any form, like thinking that you have been enlightened or know better than god does, you will be excommunicated and may be forced to leave heaven.

During these years in heaven, you would have learnt how to talk like a guru. When faced with difficult questions, you would have learnt how to use a combination of word salad to confuse the devotee, high level language to dangle the enlightenment carrot to keep your devotee's high esteem and loyalty, so that they cannot live without you. If your family is from a wealthy business background who can support god's agenda and activities, you may get lucky at being conferred the enlightened disciple, along with with the right to give satsang, but you need to make sure that the crowd attending your satsang cannot statistically exceed that of god, else there might be repercussions, like having your satsang rights revoked.

If you are a poor man's son or daughter, you may need to learn how to generate some kind of income during your stay there, like learning to play an instrument, compose music, or other soft skills that you can market to the world. Other guru aspirants in the past have tried to gather rare materials or information about god, things that are not revealed to the public. These could later be sold as exclusive materials to interested organisations for a large sum of money, and be used to startup your guru activities. This just a practical example of how to raise money. Life takes care of life, and if you are earnest enough, the universe will somehow find a way unique for you, like how it has found a way for god.

Don't follow in the greedy footsteps of god regarding intimate relationships with devotees who trust you with their lives. If you need to, just choose one, formalize it and stick to that same one. That way no one can accuse you of .... As with all devotees, treat them equally, rich or poor. You are there for the sick and needy, spending more time on those who are very unwell as they need you more than those who are well. Empower them with your guru spirit so that they can clear their ego in less time than what you have taken under god. Don't charge money for satsang. The Universe will take care of your livelihood. You don't need to build your ashram because the world is your ashram. There will always be criticisms, so don't suppress them, welcome them to improve yourself, so that you can be a true Guru who serves the world, rather than being served.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Heythere1010101 ()
Date: May 23, 2020 10:59PM

Haha!! Yes, this is awesome stefa!
I feel like I'm starting to narrow in on what the dilemma is here with the mooji phenomena, and further my understanding on why it's underlying nature is so harmful.
I remember at one satsang I watched, there were two young African American boys from NY coming to see him, mooji made an announcement in the satsang about them being there, I think they were there on behalf of a charitable organization?
Something like that.
These two boys were genuinely so proud of being there, being with mooji, partaking of a satsang, (maybe that they have a spiritual african American male role model?) and are having this very personal spiritual connection with him.
They come to him genuinely, for their own very personal and meaningful connection they have made with him in themselves, through their own beliefs.
I think that is what makes this 'organization' or business so hurtful to a person when they realize what it is.
It's what make this so 'wrong' in a way. The promise of fulfilling peoples personal spiritual desires, fantasies, goals, dreams,in a way, and at the same time never being able to fulfill it
Having this whole world of corruption underneath the surface.
Nothing new, of course, but this is one of the main reasons that the mooji org. is 'dangerous' on a large scale.
They are taking responsibility for others in a very vulnerable personal (spiritual) ways that they cannot and can never fulfill in the long run. Meaning mooji cannot fulfill a persons desire for him to be their personal 'god' because he isn't 'god'.
The whole structure of mooji-land is based on personal belief (of mooji being enlightened, or able to 'save' people).
When its played out as though mooji is a living enlightened being, or incarnation of god, they are relying on peoples vulnerability for the organization to run.
The only reason someone would believe mooji is 'god' is that they are in a vulnerable position in some way, whether emotionally, spiritually, or financially, whatever. Otherwise, how would some belief like this (that mooji is enlightened) come to be?
THere can only be two explanations, one, mooji is in fact enlightened enough haha to deserve what he has.
The other is that he got in this position through other peoples vulnerabilities and his own manipulation of them. Really that's it. If he's not actually 'god' then, what other conclusion can we draw?
It's kind of ironic that your not supposed to be a 'person' in mooji's world, or in sahaja but that's literally what the place in run on. peoples personal desires of mooji and their personal desires of spiritual fulfillment.

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