Re: Mooji a cult?
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Date: April 28, 2019 03:38AM
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: April 28, 2019 04:10AM
If a guru gets a reputation for being abusive, their advocates will market this as a challenge, as a dare.
Do you have what it takes to step into Guru X purifying fire?
Guru X is for genuine aspirants who can endure the
hardships of ego death.
Anyone who regards Guru X as abusive is too egoistic, too cowardly to step into the fire follow it to the end....
Abuse and degradation can be spin marketed into a PR asset in Guru World.
Oh...when a guru is faced with too many challenges from an unfriendly media, he or she can claim illness, check into hospital with illnesses that gave no trouble when the guru went unchallenged.
I I only say this because last year some Indian godmen were arrested. Immediately they were taken to hospital.
Playing the pity angle through illness rallies support....and makes critics look heartless.
The lack of concern for health and safety of guru disciples will be ignored in the fracas.
Let's watch for this one.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 04:50AM by corboy.
Do you have what it takes to step into Guru X purifying fire?
Guru X is for genuine aspirants who can endure the
hardships of ego death.
Anyone who regards Guru X as abusive is too egoistic, too cowardly to step into the fire follow it to the end....
Abuse and degradation can be spin marketed into a PR asset in Guru World.
Oh...when a guru is faced with too many challenges from an unfriendly media, he or she can claim illness, check into hospital with illnesses that gave no trouble when the guru went unchallenged.
I I only say this because last year some Indian godmen were arrested. Immediately they were taken to hospital.
Playing the pity angle through illness rallies support....and makes critics look heartless.
The lack of concern for health and safety of guru disciples will be ignored in the fracas.
Let's watch for this one.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 04:50AM by corboy.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Not-afraidofMooji
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Date: April 28, 2019 04:23AM
Corboy is right.
Mooji has diabetes and that is why he is deteriorating. It’s coming.
This is like detox from Narcissistic Mooji. It’s a great site to help people see his tactics.
Gotta get some rest. Tomorrow is Sunday, here we go...
Mooji has diabetes and that is why he is deteriorating. It’s coming.
This is like detox from Narcissistic Mooji. It’s a great site to help people see his tactics.
Gotta get some rest. Tomorrow is Sunday, here we go...
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Not-afraidofMooji
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Date: April 28, 2019 04:46AM
He does have diabetes by the way. Has for a long time. Doesn’t talk a lot about it. Critics will look like heartless savages after he plays this card. Maybe like all of his brand, part is true and part is not. No one can’t figure it out so people have to “trust him” and not themselves...or they have to leave.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 04:47AM by Not-afraidofMooji.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: April 28, 2019 04:55AM
This and my prior post was written with all gurus in mind.
They can claim their illnesses are caused by people's negative thoughts or caused by demonic assaults.
Now, what happens if a resident gets sick or injured at Monte Sahaja?
What is the stands d of care for humble residents?
Ah, tell us about the food.
When are meals and what's on the menu?
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They can claim their illnesses are caused by people's negative thoughts or caused by demonic assaults.
Now, what happens if a resident gets sick or injured at Monte Sahaja?
What is the stands d of care for humble residents?
Ah, tell us about the food.
When are meals and what's on the menu?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 04:57AM by corboy.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Sahara71
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Date: April 28, 2019 05:42AM
Hi Not-afaidofMooji,
thank you for sharing your experiences. It's great to get some insight into trauma bonding, too. I think the second video you shared about trauma bonding is a lot easier to understand than the first.
The fact that Tony acts differently at retreats than what he does at Monte Sahaja makes a lot of sense and explains why so many people go to retreats and report not being harmed or not seeing a negative side of Tony.
It seems to be only the people who get to know him really well who experience the intense manipulation and psychological abuse. Although, many people attending retreats felt that they were witnessing a 'staged performance' and that the levels of devotion showed to Moo were over-the-top, strangely competitive and looked 'forced'.
As for Tony reading this forum and enjoying it, well, who knows? It wouldn't bother me! This would simply demonstrate that he is not enlightened. An enlightened being would have no interest in what people were saying about him anonymously... he would only be interested in the here and now, not obsessing about things he had no control over.
But Tony is not enlightened, not even one iota - and he is preoccupied by control and authority.
My concern has always been the well-being of the victims of this cult and enabling them to have access to information. That is all. What they do with this information is up to them.
thank you for sharing your experiences. It's great to get some insight into trauma bonding, too. I think the second video you shared about trauma bonding is a lot easier to understand than the first.
The fact that Tony acts differently at retreats than what he does at Monte Sahaja makes a lot of sense and explains why so many people go to retreats and report not being harmed or not seeing a negative side of Tony.
It seems to be only the people who get to know him really well who experience the intense manipulation and psychological abuse. Although, many people attending retreats felt that they were witnessing a 'staged performance' and that the levels of devotion showed to Moo were over-the-top, strangely competitive and looked 'forced'.
As for Tony reading this forum and enjoying it, well, who knows? It wouldn't bother me! This would simply demonstrate that he is not enlightened. An enlightened being would have no interest in what people were saying about him anonymously... he would only be interested in the here and now, not obsessing about things he had no control over.
But Tony is not enlightened, not even one iota - and he is preoccupied by control and authority.
My concern has always been the well-being of the victims of this cult and enabling them to have access to information. That is all. What they do with this information is up to them.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Sahara71
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Date: April 28, 2019 05:57AM
If Tony reads this forum and adjusts his behavior accordingly, then I suggest it's time for a new stylist, Tony.
The beard and the dreadlocks are unfashionable and aging. Also the long robes are looking dated. What about a nice understated suit with a tie? Something in light-weight linen would look good on you.
Oprah might come calling!
And ditch the rambling, repetitive mumbo-jumbo when you speak. Just say clearly what it is you want to say. Maybe hire a speech writer? You can afford it Tony, go and treat yourself.
;)
The beard and the dreadlocks are unfashionable and aging. Also the long robes are looking dated. What about a nice understated suit with a tie? Something in light-weight linen would look good on you.
Oprah might come calling!
And ditch the rambling, repetitive mumbo-jumbo when you speak. Just say clearly what it is you want to say. Maybe hire a speech writer? You can afford it Tony, go and treat yourself.
;)
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: April 28, 2019 09:31AM
Final suggestion:
Those of us concerned about safety issues at the Monte Sahaja/Shiva's Lap ashram
could call ourselves the Dead Heron Society.
Ah...and here is a very long essay.
Optional reading. It offers descriptions of the context in which Advaita came about quoting material from several books.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 10:09AM by corboy.
Those of us concerned about safety issues at the Monte Sahaja/Shiva's Lap ashram
could call ourselves the Dead Heron Society.
Ah...and here is a very long essay.
Optional reading. It offers descriptions of the context in which Advaita came about quoting material from several books.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2019 10:09AM by corboy.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: April 28, 2019 09:31PM
In New Age circles, all sects of Tibetan Buddhism and on the guru/satsang seeker's circuit we are being socialized to become intellectual hybrids--wage earners in capitalist society, but under the tutelage of New Wage Brahmins, covertly trained to have the mentality of pre-modern peasants who grovel to gurus, lamas, satsang teachers.
Another essay.
[forum.culteducation.com]
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Another essay.
[forum.culteducation.com]
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he West has been extensively colonized by mental attitudes that have kept India poor, both psychologically and socially.
* Caste mentality in which allegedly enlightened persons are better than
ordinary people.
* Powerholders are automatically righteous. Victims of abuse are automatically inferior or they'd not have "attracted" abuse to themselves.
(In Hindu India power = legitimacy. If you have immense power it proves you did something right in a previous lifetime. There is no way to distinguish illegitimate power and legitimate power, power corruptly used, power benevolently used.)
* The physical world and people's suffering are all illusion, therefore you
are entitled to ignore it all.
* A bad situation must be adjusted to, rather than analyzed and changed for the better.
* That if you incur disaster it is your karma due to misdeads in previous lifetimes. If you are born a woman, born poor, kinapped and mutilated so as to beg money for a crime boss, you get this for misdeeds you committed in a previous lifetime. Or you create this suffering for yourself via victim
mentality.
And anyone who is outraged by this kind of abuse is a deluded, ego ridden fool.
There is no such thing as an enlightened being who is abusive. Anyone who sees an enlightened being behaving in a manner that is morally repugnant (cussing out disciples) or downright criminal (fill in the blank here) -- the person who
perceives that abuse is delusional and ego ridden, and fails to see the glorious hidden magnificence of the guru's teaching.
There is no tragedy. No pathos. Only the leela (divine play) of God or the gods
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
2cents
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Date: April 29, 2019 12:43AM
Been contemplating this M. drama and wondering if M's 'parabdha karma" has caught up with him at this point. In juxtaposition, can we say the persecution that Christ experienced could be called parabdha karma? Something says no - but who knows? I don't think Jesus went to the Sanhedrin for cease and desist papers!!
(Parabdha Karma: a collection of past karmas, which are ready to be experienced through the present body (incarnation). According to Sri Swami Sivananda: "Prarabdha is that portion of the past karma which is responsible for the present body. ..wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus
Corboy: Gotta love The Dead Heron Society - good one!
(Parabdha Karma: a collection of past karmas, which are ready to be experienced through the present body (incarnation). According to Sri Swami Sivananda: "Prarabdha is that portion of the past karma which is responsible for the present body. ..wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus
Corboy: Gotta love The Dead Heron Society - good one!
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