Oprah Winfrey and Byron Katie have continued their talk.
Here is a partial transcription of part 2, "Learning The Work"
BK: "It's just four questions and a turnaround. It's nothing without your answers."
Oprah: "The Work is merely four questions. It's not even a thing. It has no motives, no strings. It's nothing without your answers. These four questions will join any program you've got and enhance it, any religion you have, they'll enhance it, if you have no religion, they will bring you joy, and they'll burn up anything that isn't true for you..."
Oprah asks Katie about her life following the cockroach epiphany. "Have you not suffered since that day?"
BK: "Not, not suffered since that day. But I have a head start on most people because I saw that nothing was true."
BK says it's been 22 years.
Oprah: "You have NOT suffered?!"
BK: "I haven't experienced that, but I'm very open to suffering, and I haven't experienced sadness but I'm very open to sadness and I'm very open to anger. But you have to believe your stressful thoughts before you can experience those emotions."
Oprah: "How do you define suffering?"
BK: "Sadness, resentment, anger... You know, I cry a lot, you know, I'm moved to tears."
Re her mother's death: "I'm so full of love, I have no room for it [suffering]..."
"It was all in my mind... I don't mind death. I see death as a wonderful thing. I see life as a wonderful thing."
"I don't feel badly."
Oprah: "You don't have bad days?"
BK: "No, not yet, and as I said, I am wide open."
Why she doesn't suffer?
BK: "I don't believe my stressful thoughts."
Oprah: "Why would I be happy my mother died?"
(I could barely follow what BK said next, it came out as "blah blah blah" to me.)
Oprah: "But I wanted it to be longer [a loved one's life]!"
BK: "And you lose."