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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

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vlinden
Yeah, I think troll even more specifically in the case of this Board means someone sent from an LGAT specifically to defend it or drive the wedge into the conversation

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I did wonder for moment about Jon Willis contacting JJ privately and saying things to her that seemed different from what he said on this thread. Unless I'm mistaken, I just don't remember him saying anything that seemed he was looking for answers or having problems with BK. But I also don't know exactly what he said to her because she didn't feel comfortable sharing it.

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The Anticult
(here is a counter-Induction, notice I tell you first!)
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In your MIND, take that vase of flowers, replant the flowers in the garden and set them free...now...mentally shrink a yapping Byron Katie down into the size of her little pet cockroach, and then trap mini-katie in her own clear Vase, and put a cork in it on the top, and glue it down, with Superglue. So now mini-katie is the size of her katie cockroach from 1986 that never happened, and is trapped in the vase, still yacking away at the walls, but there is NO SOUND, no nothing. She yacking, but its all nice and silent and QUIET...Now mini-katie is contained....for eternity...

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jj52
jj,

I think I am frank and civil; i express my anger, I do not use foul language and name-calling (well, maybe sometimes i do) . I don't think i am "defensive".

Then why are you defending yourself to me? If you think this doesn't apply to you, why respond at all?
Dear JJ,
Why not respond? - this is an open forum, i'm not defending myself, i'm expressing my opinion, and like you, entering into the dialogue.
- Shad

I simply speak my mind. If I am cross I am cross, and I don't pretend otherwise, and send mixed messages. I think the only way to remain authentic is to be congruent in one's speach and actions. (sometimes the truth does hurt, sorry, but that is reality - OFTEN it hurts me when someone expresses a truth about me that I really don't want to hear. But in time i learn from that.)

Really? Did it hurt when I said that the group... pardon me, forum... was embarrassing and uncivil? Is that why everyone is taking turns picking me apart and defending themselves? Did I hurt you all?

NOPE, i did not feel at all hurt, because I know that I was not being uncivil. And even reading all your messages in bold here, i am neither hurt or angry, my first inclination was to chuckle, and shake my head in bemusement, then sigh, because it seems to me that you have not heard what I was trying to say, and i know where your anger is coming from, i HAVE heard it all before, and i truly am sorry that you are suffering so, and sincerely hope that you will be able to find some resolution soon.

Aww. If you can't take it, then why do you dish it out?

now you are just plain attacking me, jj, but not to worry, I can take it, i understand that you are lashing out at me because you are hurt, but i really do think you should be lashing out at the LGATs, not me, however, THAT is your choice.

Jon, in your opinion was civil, in my opinion there is nothing civil when people approach me with a hidden agenda, and i will continue to call them on that. If I don't speak to that I am giving people tacit permission to take advantage of me. Age and EXPERIENCE has taught me to "read between the lines" - fortunately for charlatans I am very good at that! At no time did i get the impression that Jon was willing to learn, he would say something to that effect, then end with "but", followed by his opinion.

Apparently, I have a lot more understanding and compassion for Jon's situation because I've actually been there, entrenched in The Work. You all keep saying what a mind-warp it is, but you haven't experienced it. Jon was a victim of that. He came here to learn.

- ah huh, some of what you say here is true, however, again, you are assuming that I have not had any experience with LGATs. Assuming incorrectly, i might add. - Shad

I have no doubt he will come back; probably under a different name, and saying the same old stuff..

I seriously doubt it. He's a lot less willing to put up with this stuff than I am.
- well, jj, that's certainly his choice. - Shad

You say: ".. and maybe he felt the need to convince himself that his perception was all right by seeking validation from us. Who knows?" I really don't know what exactly you mean by this. Not sure why he would seek validation from a forum that is so obviously a "cult-buster" forum.

Because he wanted to know if Byron Katie's School really was a cult. He had only had "good" experiences, but he wanted to know if he was involved in something that was hurting people. He'd never been to the School.

Please point me in the direction of when and where he asked this question. I did not see any such query on his part, but certainly don't mind making an apology if I missed this - Shad

Anyway, jj, as i said, your points are well taken, and i understand that you might identify with him on some level, and it is a credit to you that you are willing to be so well disposed towards Jon. Maybe you are right, and I am wrong.... i am always willing to learn.

I do identify with him, and I know for sure that if I had been here 6 months earlier, you all would have slaughtered me the same way you did him, and I would have run right back to Byron Katie.

Jon did share with me what he learned here, and how he got some of himself and his feelings back through it. I am so angry that you all chased him away, but at least he got the information he needed.

He won't be the last person coming in here looking for answers, you all. Please, don't smear everyone that needs your help! They WILL look like trolls, and it WILL be hard to decipher them. SO PLEASE BE CIVIL until you know who is who. EDUCATE them, and give them a chance. This stuff is so severe... it's hard for Byron Katie's followers to take it all in, especially when they are being dumped on constantly. I don't think you all have any idea what I've been through, even though you all were being civil to me.

If you really want to get people away from Byron Katie, then PLEASE, stop justifying the way you've treated him, and just be more civil if someone else should find their way in here.


-jj

at the risk of sounding argumentative, i will simply state that I don't feel the need to justify anything i have posted here. I look at things carefully, state my opinion, which of course, you are certainly entitled to disagree with.

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No, that's not what I saying, and when I wrote it, I debated removing it because I had a feeling someone would twist it around to this. But, since you know my mind better than I do...[/b]

-jj