"Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community" [forum.culteducation.com
I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckling will follow any moving object.pick-up in action
A couple more points about this.
If anyone can find a TRANSCRIPT of what Ross Jeffries said to the girl, what he did with his language patterns can be PRECISELY described. But to be honest, looking at that creep, its too much to even watch that charade again. Its all very sad and pathetic, how low the old NLP-hypno-persuaders have sunk with this.
But its not staged.
But Ross Jeffries did pick the location, and the guy at the table as the camera arrives, could have been one of Ross Jeffries stooges/assistants. He would just cruise the joint for a few hours, trying to find people who are Suggestible and open.
And then he would watch for the camera, and go to the Target's table to show Ross Jeffries a good "mark" who is suggestible.
That girl could have been put into a light trance by an amateur in seconds.
But that is not even needed, an expert can tell in seconds who is "open" and suggestible.
But Ross Jeffries just walks up to her, and using verbal commands and a rapid induction, elicits and gets her to re-experience some of her most pleasurable emotions and memories.
He then would have done a lot more stuff that was not in the clip, to reinforce and bring it out even more.
Then once the emotions and memories are being experienced in her mind, he creates a Trigger and Anchor, this time to his own finger, so he can use the sense of TOUCH later on.
Then running his finger up her arm, he can take that pleasureable feeling from 1-10, pretty much on his command.
(remember how Byron Katie touched Janaki's cheek, same thing).
What is really shocking about this, is that this part is very very basic stuff, that anyone can learn in a day, if they have the aptitude.
It can be done with fake "palm reading", it can be done with storytelling, Tarot Cards, Astrology, anything. It can be done using "Advaita" as the ruse "content".
Its also decades old, and has been in books for decades.
What is shocking, is why is the public so unaware of even the basics of any of this?
If someone could explain that, that would be appreciated.
Once a person has some experience and training, none of that twaddle even works. You see in 5 seconds that some creepy salesperson is trying to elicit the modalities of your most pleasurable life experiences, and then link it to herself, or her product and services.
And you say, hey asshole, why are you trying to elicit my most pleasurable memories and emotions? Screw off.
Even the hyperbole by Louis Theroux at the end, seems very melodramatic.
You could take a hypnotist and find a "Target" and have them dancing like a chicken in the street, that has been known for decades. Especially when a TV CAMERA is there.
Its nothing magical, its just suggestion, and many people just do what is asked of them, without much preparation. Inducing light trance-states just makes it more effective.
So Ross Jeffries is a slime, maniupulating people (women and men) to make money.
But he is actually LESS slimey than many others. At least he ADMITS to SOME of what he is doing.
Hate to bring up Stever Robbins again, but he is far far worse, as he is trying to act naive. Its 100X worse, to have far far more extensive knowledge than little ole Ross Jeffries, and then try to PRETEND it does NOT EXIST, and then refer and send "new age" people into the ruthless hands of experts who are far worse than Ross Jeffries.
They can use those same techniques to anchor into people to feel SUPREME PLEASURE to giving them ALL OF THEIR LIFE-SAVINGS, or their WEDDING RINGS, or anything else. (Read the Byron Katie thread).
They can make you feel like they are a divine being, by activating your "God-Guru" representations in your mind, and then linking them to themselves.
They can elicit how you represent a Soulmate, and link it to them too.
They can also stack, merge, amplify, and constantly reinforce all of these, to the point where they become the center of their subjects mind and life.
So these sociopaths and manipulators do laugh like Ross Jeffries, at how naive and suggestible many people are. They think its funny, and they believe people get what they deserve.
They even lie to themselves, and tell themselves they are doing a service.
But this is why they try so hard to MISDIRECT, and say there is NOTHING GOING ON. Because once people get trained, it doesn't work. You see through it in seconds.
So yes, the sociopaths are wrong to do this to people.
But can anyone shed some light on why so many people don't know anything about even the most basic manipulation tactics like this?
Is it that most people are just regular too-trusting people, and are not used to dancing with the wolves, who present themselves as sheep?
To the trained eye, the question is not why do the sharks do it, its why can't anyone see what is there in plain-sight?
Byron Katie very blatantly uses many of the same techniques on groups and on individuals, and just tries to conceal it behind the new agey pseudo-philosophy.
The people who admit they do some techniques, are not anywhere near as bad, as those who try to pretend nothing is going on. Those one are the most damaging.
And the more they play the idiot savant or try to act naive, the worse they are.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2009 09:33AM by The Anticult.