Its almost unbelievable what "Kassy" is trying to pull here, but believe it.
Ironically, Kassy putting all this stuff into writing, can be very useful, as this is what people are going to get from various Byron Katie "Facilitators" and seminar salespeople, and those who make money off the Byron Katie businesses for a LIVING.
They are trying to develop their Overcoming Objections skills, when people come to them with concerns and questions about what is going on in these seminars. Professionals in the field, spend a lot of time figuring out how to Overcome Objections to the sale, and even Innoculate these objections before they arise. [forum.culteducation.com
At this point, there are many dozens of people who are making a lot of money selling the Byron Katie "Facilitating", which is just part of the coaching scam hysteria.
Telephone "coaching" is the easiest way for these folks to make serious money, they can do it from home, and they don't even need to pay long-distance anymore. They can Skype it.
They can charge $100 an hr from working out of their kitchen.
Some even charge up to $400 an hr in various coaching contracts, if they have some name recognition.
Its important to stick to the FACTS.
- the Byron Katie 4 Questions and her processes have absolutely ZERO psychological value. Read her own disclaimers.
- Kassy even has the gall to claim that "schizophrenia has alot to do with believing faulty stories." That is from someone who is literally indocrinated to the core with the Byron Katie system. This is someone who is full-time into The Work, that is obvious.
-Kassy states "On the Youtube and Google videos there is no evidence to my mind that she is fomenting worship but responding with her own form of clear thinking to people's troubles".
Again, more conscious misdirection. The Byron Katie system step by step grooms people and drags them into her system, one step at a time. Byron Katie "clear thinking"? What a joke. That sounds like something Carol Skolnick would say..."clear". Byron Katie has the most muddled and confused thinking, which creates confusion in people, on purpose.
- Turnarounds: Kassy does a complete Turnaround on medical science that deals with mental health. There are enormous levels of scientific work and studies that have gone into it. While Byron Katie is a complete ignoramous, with no knowledge whatsoever, and ZERO proof of anything. But Kassy tries to turn that around...
QUOTE: "and this fearful mentality of take the meds or commit suicide or get hospitalized. Who says? Where's the proof?"
Unbelievable she would try that, which is the targeting of those who are suicidal. But again, that displays the deep and total Byron Katie belief system, that The Work can cure mental illness, which is what they really believe.
That is why they put the "death clause" in the contracts, due to what is happening to people.
- The incredible dishonesty about how Byron Katie THROWS PEOPLE OUT OF HER SEMINARS, [forum.culteducation.com
] also betrays Kassy, when Kassy said the seminar "sounds stupid". This is the same pattern as before, when the BKI people lie and say they have not been to a BK seminar, but then show they know exactly what happens in the seminar. Yes, they will lie. Harsh, but true.
Bottom line, its not credible that Kassy is not totally indocrinated into the BKI system. Its not believable. To someone who has seen the LGAT people operate for ages, its very obvious what is being done.
This is the tough thing about dealing with these LGAT seminar companies.
The people who promote them and work at them, are very motivated, and they are often very clever, and they will tell falsehoods without blinking. They manipulate people to get them to attend seminars.
They withhold information.
They mislead, and misdirect.
So a person has to make a judgement call based on the best available information.
When you hear a BKI person, or someone who says they are NOT with BKI, or Byron Katie, going on and on like Kassy, that is more than enough information to hang-up the phone.
Its really like extremely sophisticated telemarketing in a sense.
The LGAT salespeople, mix in personal anecdote, with confusing stories, and outright lies and misdirection.
QUOTE from Kassy: "Someone pointed the direction to peer review, scientific literature that Byron Katie's work has been shown to be effective at counseling."
That is a deliberate lie, she has mixed in. Sorry to be harsh, but this is not a game. Its an outight lie. There are ZERO studies, absolutely nothing. And Kassy knows that, or she would have provided the reference. Again, sorry to be harsh, but it is ESSENTIAL to spot the direct lies they mix into what they say.
Also, it contradicts what she was saying about it not being counselling, so its the standard trying to mess with your head approach they use.
And then Kassy tries to say there is nothing wrong with the release if liability? [forum.culteducation.com
] Are you kidding? It says the exact opposite of their advertising. And it is also the opposite of how a few minutes before that Kassy was saying that "stories" are related to schizophrenia. That is also a trick, to people with mental health issues to believe The Work can cure those problems. Its weasel words.
She then actually reveals something very telling...
QUOTE: " It would be stupid to go there and think I'm going to get treatment when I intend myself self-harm. I doubt really anyone is that stupid, but if they are, there's the liability agreement."
You see, this is how the LGAT people think. They think that those who are suicidal are "stupid". Meanwhile, BK constantly advertises her methods can help these very people. But if you are "stupid" and your Trauma gets triggered by the LGAT seminar, tough shit, get lost. They literally don't care if you end up dead, that is your problem.
The arrogance of the LGAT seminar people really is pathological.
Read the reports of these seminars, and they are full of people with mental health issues, that is by design, as they advertise.
As far as the Byron Katie promoters, its a similar pattern.
They put on an act, and PRETEND they are not a deeply indocrtinated Byron Katie person. But at the same time, they actually know EVERYTHING about Byron Katie, including her seminars. Which they say they have never attended. Same pattern, which was seen in the Guruphiliac forum recently.
This is one of the main danger signs with cultish LGAT groups. There use of deception to try and get people to attend the seminar. That is all they want. To get people into the seminar, then the professional can do their work on them. They all operate like this.
Anyway, its a painful chore, to go through even a part of the stuff being posted by Kassy.
It the real world, the SALE would have been BLOCKED in only a few minutes. But for the sake of public education, its important to have a look what she/he has written here.
One can have real empathy for people who have gotten lured into the BKI system, as many of them have said it can be a nightmare getting out, because the BKI people are so manipulative, so dishonest, and quite clever. They are experts of messing around with people's minds.
Once people get locked into the BKI system, its not easy to get out, when you have these maniacs screwing with every thought in your head. That is tough stuff.
Of course, it does not work on everyone, but they are trying to put some of that material into these threads, as they know so MANY people are reading the threads. They are trying to innoculate the facts in the thread, with more confusion.
But again, that tactic will backfire on them, due to the dishonesty.
Because most of the "arguments" put here by "Kassy" are the same ones you are going to hear from the BKI people who are dealing with the public.
So when the BKI people are trying to screw with your mind, one can refer back to the comments by Kassy and others, and see the similarities. Its their form of Talking Points to mess with people's minds.
One can also observe how Kassy constantly contradicts himself, which again, is programmed confusion, which he will then deny.
There are more clues in a recent post by Kassy as well, which does actually reveal who this person most likely is.
But what Kassy has posted is just a small taste, of what Byron Katie followers get, when they are asking questions about the dozens of PERSUASION TECHNIQUES being use by Byron Katie on them.
For someone without training, it can be very painful and confusing.
But the solution is very simple, but not easy
1) No more money; to Byron Katie or BKI. No more seminars, gifts, books, anything.
2) No more contact; with the facilitators, coaches, or anyone with BKI. No more phone calls, emails, nothing. They are too skilled at messing with people's minds.
3) stop using her material. Just get rid of all of it.
IDEAS on how to KICK-OUT byron katie from your Mind-Soul-Life forever [forum.culteducation.com
That is really the only way to get out, as if one goes to the BKI people with questions, you will get the same mind-screwing, and much more, that is being seen here.
So the good news, is the stuff that is being injected into this thread to try and use their Byron Katie Confusion Tactics, has actually backfired again.
They are trying to reach out to all the Byron Katie followers who are reading these comments being made by many people, as well as the other threads and forums.
That is the problem with deception and manipulation, is a house of cards.
And once the seed of doubt is planted, by showing the FACTS of how the persuasion works, the trickery and persuasion tactics never work as well again. They can be blocked permanently.