Here is a little more information about Stever Robbins methods, as the advanced persuasion techniques he teaches and uses explain some of the same techniques being used by Byron Katie.
Its important, as even though Byron Katie does all sorts of different techniques, many of the techniques she does, overlap with the NLP persuasion methods.
Please take a moment to carefully read the technical excerpt from him below, as it speaks volumes. Its something that needs to be analyzed carefully.
Also, Stever Robbins has all sorts of information out there in the NLP world, which actually explains exactly what Byron Katie is doing, and also what he is doing. That is an older NLP tradition, where you do explain what you are doing to people, AS you are doing it to them.
But now, that has gone by the wayside, as most of them now try to HIDE what they are doing, and play innocent to the general public.
It really is beyond laughable and frankly reflects extremely badly on Stever Robbins, that he would try to pretend that he isn't doing this stuff, and that Byron Katie isn't doing any of the same methods. That is a very serious mistake Stever Robbins has made, but again, he has to say that, as he is caught in a double-bind concerning Byron Katie.
In the NLP world, they technically break down exactly what people are doing, but he won't do that for Byron Katie, as it destroys the Savant illusion. They must think they can pull the wool over the eyes of the general public, as almost noone has any training in these areas.
Stever Robbins works with Richard Bandler and John LaValle on a yearly basis, and they are the authors of the book Persuasion Engineering.
QUOTE: "He can often be found assisting at Richard Bandler and John LaValle's Charisma Enhancement program in Orlando early in the year" [www.steverrobbins.com
He defines himself as a Certified Master Trainer Elite of NLP, and has decades of experience in these precise techniques.
Here is one example of Stever Robbins commenting on Persauasion Engineering.
Chat Log: Featuring Stever Robbins
IRC Chat Log, August 23, 1998
"Stever: Ok. In short, "innoculations" are simply preframing someone against objections that you know will be there. If you're selling hypnosis to someone, and you know that a lot of people will ask, "will you make me beg for a cracker, like the bad, bad birdy that I am?" then you can pre-frame the answer by starting off saying, "Some people think of clucking like a chicken and begging for crackers when they think of hypnosis. In fact, that's a totally different phenomenon..." you watch them nonverbally to find out whether they seem to agree that that statement applies to them and if it does, you go ahead and answer the objection without them ever having to ask it. It's a nice way of pacing them, as well. When you're setting expectations in a business setting, you want to include an innoculation component as well."
Jonathan: You were just innoculating against us not knowing what innoculations meant.
That short excerpt from Stever Robbins, speaks volumes.
Notice that one student picked up he was DOING an innoculation AS he was explaining it. That is how those guys operate. as Stever is supposedly explaining Innoculations, he is also running meta-patterns on top of that simultaneously, often doing something totally unrelated.
INNOCULATIONS: In a sense, this is exactly what Stever is doing on that blog and elsewhere, Stever is preframing people using Innoculations against objections about his methods, BEFORE anyone has a chance to bring them up, or even think of them.
Has it worked? So far, yes.
He is doing almost the exact same thing in his recent blog comments on SHAMblog. As a matter of fact, his making posts on these "skeptical" blogs, is actually a type of Innoculation. It preframes him as being some sort of researcher or "coach", when in fact he is a master persuader of the highest order.
That actually is very similar to the methods used by Byron Katie, just with a completely different style.
You see also that he says, you watch the client/target nonverbally, to see if they agree with your salespitch, and then try to override any objections before they ask them. Again, Byron Katie does this all the time, when she carefully observes people's reactions, like she did with Janaki when she first met her and coverted her on the spot.
Instant conversion of Janaki by Byron Katie [forum.culteducation.com
This is far less than 1/100th of 1% of what these guys are doing to people.
They have decades of precise training in using every advanced persuasion pattern on the face of the earth, and they are extremely intelligent people.
That is why it is so embarrasing and shameful, when they try to play the Byron Katie card, and act innocent. They are simply trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the public, who do not have training in these areas.
Stever Robbins gets an F-minus.
Every word he says has to be checked, and double-checked. And one has to analyze everything he says verbally, especially over the phone in his so-called "coaching". The Stories he tells all have multiple levels of meaning, right down to the metaphors and language patterns.
Its utterly ridiculous they would try to deny they use these methods and patterns, when its so obvious they are doing so, and at the same time they are SELLING products that purport to teach the exact same methods they are denying they use.
They get away with it with the general public, as the public has no training, or even knowledge that these techniques even exist and are being used on them.
The height of "elegance" to them, is to use advanced persuasion techniques that are INVISIBLE to the client/target, to engineer consent, usually to buy expensive overpriced services/products they are selling, like coaching contracts.
And also to be able to DENY they are using a technique, while simultaneously using that very same technique on the person. They do that all the time.
The current and former clients/targets/victims of these people will be absolutely shocked at what was done to them without their awareness, once they spend the time learning how it all works.
People easily get cleaned-out, and 'taken to the cleaners' on a weekly basis.
Now they even try to preframe and train the target to feel JOY at being taken to the cleaners.
Think of that in the context of how the Byron Katie system and process works.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2009 04:24AM by The Anticult.