Looking at what "Kassy" has tried to do here, is quite interesting, even in its outrageousness.
First off, this person says they just read a book by Byron Katie, and isn't part of the BK system.
Do they really believe people are that stupid? They are not.
Then, all of a sudden, this person appears to know everything about everything about Byron Katie, without even having read the details in this thread?
Kassy claims not to know what an LGAT is, says she hasn't attended the Byron Katie LGAT, yet knows that its not an damaging LGAT. Its beyond laughable.
Kassy tries to hold up the Advaita fig-leaf, and Ramana Maharshi, which has also been debunked in this thread. (by the way, those are Stephen Mitchell's roots...wink wink. He was pushing that stuff years ago, and that has all been debunked at length.)
That is just a big smoke-screen, to distract people from what is really going on, which is the business and moneymaking.
As far as saying that Kassy is likely a BK plant, first off, that is obvious.
But second, as stated, when it comes to these groups, you NEVER have full information, and one has to make a judgement call as best as one can, based on incomplete information, in limited time. Otherwise you are going to get SCAMMED.
The approach by Kassy would not last 5 minutes for anyone with training, but its being examined just to have a look at the methods and contradictions, and tactics being used.
Kassy then tries to distort the SPECIFIC TECHNIQUES being explained, by trying the tactic that has been tried over and over, to use MISDIRECTION. By saying its some type of "MAGIC" and trying to distort what is being said. When the FACTS are the opposite. There is no magic or witchcraft. Its specific techniques being used by Byron Katie at her seminars. So again, its a deliberate conscious misdirection. Misdirection is a lie. Its a deliberate lie, to misdirect away from the careful techniques.
Its not just ignorance of how it all works. As those who are clueless, are often curious about it, and do some research. Its an attempt at misdirection.
Same with the "Zombie" and "slave" references. That is a deliberate con, a Straw-Man method, to exaggerate, and then refute their own lie. That was never said.
Its about INFLUENCE, engineering consent.
That has all been explained many times. Persuasion Engineering.
Then he/she gets into Distraction, going on about Barack Obama..anything to shift the focus off the subject.
Then moving in the "Hitler" and Auschwitz nonsense, which also seems to be a favorite subject of Byron Katie. [forum.culteducation.com
] Again, a deliberate technique, to move away from the FACTS and into ridiculous hyperbole, and also trying do do a Turnaround, just to shift the focus off Byron Katie.
Notice there is never a word about holding Byron Katie accountable.
He/she then says..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Which is a clever Turnaround, again. Carl Sagan said that. And where is the EVIDENCE for Byron Katie's outrageous claims? There is ZERO.
Then moving into a defense of the "legality" of the group and a defense of the company and those who work there.
This from someone who read a book on Byron Katie? Now they know everything about BK and the BKI company?
Of course, in an anonymous forum, one can't know who a person really is, whether they are a fanatical true believer, or a salesperson, or a senior in the BK org.
"Kassy" could easily be a senior salesperson in the BK org, or a BK coach, probably a writer, someone who has literate references, someone who speaks in the same patterns used here before, and at the Guruphiliac forum. Same pattern, claiming to have not attended a BK seminar, and just read a book, but then knowing EVERYTHING about BKI.
That is simply not credible to people who know how to think. Its obviously not true.
This is a person who is able and enjoys twisting everything inside out, and enjoys getting their hands dirty dealing with the BKI clients.
Who is it? One can only speculate in an anonymous format, but there is a certain male writer who is quite close to the Queen Bee herself, who does lots of email confusion propaganda, which he seems to enjoy doing.
On the other hand, there is another "Kassy" with links to Byron Katie, NLP, Coaching, seminars, writing, trauma, and many other related subjects. (but of course, that could just be a coincidence)
Search Google for...
"Byron Katie" Kassy
But it just goes on and on and on. Constant misdirection from the facts of the techniques being used by Byron Katie, which are PERMISSIVE, which makes them more powerful, as explained in great detail.
But it is educational.
That is the type of response anyone who is involved in The Work is going to get, if they go to the professional BK "facilitator" or people from BKI with questions. They are just going to try to screw your mind into so many circles, you won't be able to point to the moon in the sky.
They have professional "fixers", like every LGAT, people who sit on the phone all day, and try to talk people into attending the LGAT seminars, and coachings. They also try to talk people out of NOT attending seminars, and they will work many many HOURS on people, to keep the sale. A lot of money is at stake.
Even now, they do it in email, constant mind-screwing, to try and scramble up people's thinking processes.
So the WARNING is out there. There are extreme BK fanatics, who are ideologically indocrinated, and also financially motivated, to try to twist people's minds into such a mess, they can't think clearly anymore.
Just trying to create confusion.
They also enjoy the POWER of doing this to people, it must be a big high for them, makes them feel powerful.
But its NOT THAT COMPLEX.
Its explained in these threads, they create confusion, and then use dozens of persuasion tactics, to get people to attend the seminars, and get more indocrinated, and spend as much money as possible.
And they go hysterical when the specific techniques are explained, as that makes them not work.
So they flip-out.
Try it sometime on a professional persuader, point out their techniques.
First they flip-out with rage and even hysteria.
Then they just DENY everything, and try to deflect, and distract. Then they start with the lies. Lies, lies, lies, and more lies.
That is all they can do.
and as far as Byron Katie, they are checkmated into a double-bind. They have to use conscious MISDIRECTION, and say she doesn't do ANYTHING at all to people, and uses no persuasion techniques.
But even a 12 year old kid can see her techniques at work with a little effort, even just the SALES techniques to start, and the use of metaphors and storytelling.
So they are busted red-handed. But they are caught in a double-bind.
They cannot admit shes uses the obvious techniques she uses, so they have to try to misdirect people. But their misdirection is so obvious, its obvious to all they are consciously lying about it.
They are screwed.
But that is why they go so hysterical. The jig is up.
Once the client sees the techniques, they don't work anymore.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2009 03:27PM by The Anticult.