As I assume that you are acting on behalf of “Sisi in Canada”, I would strongly advise you to caution her against any involvement with the JesusChristians:
I note that you ask:What is the Rick Ross/ Malcom connection and why the ongoing feuds? Why not have your beliefs and let others have theirs. Why the love of fighting? Why does it seem the posts on this forum and others are just filled with hate and bitterness and snide remarks?
I'm concerned for someone I care about. I'd like answers before this person gets into anything they cannot get out of.
In Davids’ patently dishonest reply, which you may view for yourself, if you haven't already…. [welikejesus.com
]Your questions seem to indicate that you are widely read outside of this forum too. So have you read where Malcolm (for example) has said (several times) that he enjoyed a very positive relationship with me while in the community, but that he believes the rot set in after he left? Have you read where Malcolm has expressed a love relationship with his rifle, and his desire to use it to kill other people? I mean I'm talking about words straight from the mouth of someone who now talks of me as being totally without hope, sub-human, demonic, fit only for the worst sufferings of hell. I'm not asking you to even LISTEN to what I am saying in my own defence. I'm asking you to listen to MALCOLM (and others) with a critical ear. I would be considered a monster if I were to go so far as to say that Malcolm "has problems". And much the same has happened when I've said of others (e.g. Brian) that they have problems. Yet you seem to have taken these guys seriously with just about everything that they have said. I am surprised that you have not asked whether it is true that we eat babies, as cannibalism is just about the only crime that did not appear in your list of questions.
As I don't contribute to the JC forum (I'll consider it when I see Kevin and Apostate (two other prominent ex-members) reinstated without thier views subject to predatory editing....)...kindly allow me Greycell to speak on my own behalf here....
The “Cannibalism” jibe is simply a ploy to deceive you into doubting your right to be asking the questions you are….(I’ll presume that you can see right through this….)To address some specific points concerning me.....
David was indeed once “human” and there was certainly a time when I would have once considered him one of my best friends.....
I have NEVER
stated that I believed the “rot set in” after I left…..this is a fabrication intended to persuade you that I have become "embittered" with time.....I'll again assume that you have the intelligence to be able to read through cheap "smear campaigns"....
(….the “rot” did indeed set in for the wider group as David became more and more psychotically self-absorbed….(an accusation that yes, his own mother made of him, in his teenage years!!)….a narcissism that came to be increasingly reflected in the policies and practices of the Christians…. the last few years of my stay in the JesusChristians were the ongoing torment of wondering why I just didn't fit into "Gods Kingdom"....a deliberately manipulative strategy on the part of David McKay, that seeks to forever foment self-doubt in those who question what goes on in the name of "God")
David McKay to my mind is just nothing other than another “David Koresh” ….in the making. There have been plenty of false prophets like him before and and I’m sad to say that it is likely that there will be more to come.Have you read where Malcolm has expressed a love relationship with his rifle, and his desire to use it to kill other people?
The episode David refers to here is in the early pages of this thread (search for it if you care)….it is plainly written in humour…I do not own any nature of fire-arm…I have never expressed a desire to “kill other people”….It is malicious misrepresentation, pure and simple. Ask David to furnish the quote (WITH the full context) on which he bases this opinion....if he delays or refuses to so, it is evidence that he has lied to you, in the belief that you would be unable to contradict him.....I'd suggest that you NOT
trust the word of such a blatant fiend....and I advise you further to point this out to Sisi.
On the contrary, this attempt to belittle me, should be instructive of the nature of the “man” Sisi is being slowly led to believe, is a (self-described) Apostle of God.I mean I'm talking about words straight from the mouth of someone who now talks of me as being totally without hope, sub-human, demonic, fit only for the worst sufferings of hell.David McKay is criminally insane.
(While I am unsure of your faith “greycell”, it is accurate that on current performance that I personally believe that David McKay would only be fit for “the worst sufferings of hell”)….David would, if given the chance, take Sisi into his fold where she would then, for a pittance, be expected to donate years of her life selling his literature and enticing others into membership, while her mind would be surreptitiously poisoned against you and any other family or friends who questioned her subjection to McKay.
“Joe” (“groomed” while he was a minor)is a prime example of the “fruit” of David McKays’ teachings….would you like to see Sisi bear the same relationship to you that Joe now bears to those who raised him?
Attempts will be made to circumvent your influence (Sisi will be communicated with privately and assured that your opposition is really just due to your obstruction of the "work of God"…and thus she will also be advised that she shouldn’t let you know that she is still in contact with the JesusChristians….she will be progressively fed “false dilemmas”…(“You can only serve God (read subservience to Mckay or his lackeys) or money”….he who does not hate his mother or father cannot be my(i.e. McKays) disciple…in order to convince her to take a step of “faith” into the abyss of isolation and suppressed fears that are life of the individual Jesus Christians. She would be taught that any unhappiness or dissatisfaction that she has, is simply the promptings of the Devil, …that to leave the JesusChristians would mean that she has backslidden and betrayed the faith…..Sisa will be humiliated in public and brow-beaten by her “elders” in “grievance meetings” (and told to starve herself in “prayerful fasts) if she resists the changes that will be progressively imposed upon her…..There are no trust funds, independent auditing, judicial independence, secret ballots (those who don't toe David's line are thus readily identified)....the JesusChristians are essentially a fascist organization in ideology and operation....those who identify with the "Fuhrer" make the grade for long term membership.....Christian principles...are simply the sheeps' clothing for someone who has all alone just fervently desired a "cult following" to call his very own.....
“Pleasant” communication with you, on the JC site, is simply a means to an ends…the goal is Sisi’s membership….if you can be duped long enough, to prevent you from persuading her to reconsider joining, then you will be….it is an “absolutist” philosophy…as the JC are “saving” souls from “damnation” and directing them to “eternal life”…any fabrication or dishonesty they employ along the way can be “ultimately” justified in their own eyes....
Why don’t you ask after Betty in Kenya (a former member) and then enquire if you may have her fathers’ contact details, in order to verify whatever "tale" the JC’s may think they can tell you….
As David has admonished you in the meantime though.... Please listen to Malcolm
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