Some recent Dave doublespeak:
]“Bible prophecy is NOT of huge significance within the Jesus Christians, far from it... believe it or not”
I think not. Lets see... Dave believed the destruction of the United States was imminent in 1967 and fled to Australia with his heavily pregnant wife and son. He joined the Children of God with similar end time prophecies and wrote a manuscript on the book of Jeremiah, which Dave sees as a prophetic lament for the destruction of the United States. He traveled around the US with his son in 1981 wearing sandwich boards and flogging his book, The Fall of America, which references prophecies contained in the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. This was repeated some ten years later when the whole community went to the US and systematically covered the country in campervan teams to deliver the same doomsday message.
The 1998 Virgin Army article was based upon a passage in Revelation 7 which Dave used to suggest that members should not marry and those who do should not have children with some convoluted logic that this would make them spiritual “virgins”. This resulted in some single JC’s wearing wedding rings and some men getting vasectomies
More recently Dave has written a series of fictional books on the endtime, the distribution of which has been a main priority for some years.
The verichip is a hot topic of discussion as the ‘mark of the beast’, such that community members are refusing to get new passports that use microchip technology.
So if Dave thinks “BIBLE prophecy” is not of huge significance within the JC’s perhaps he means to say DAVE’S prophecy is, or perhaps he has lost faith in it all and it is just a nice little fiction which keeps the troops united and working for him.“Now if you want to talk about the teachings of Jesus, then that's a different matter…”
Hmmm… I wonder what would happen if someone discussed Christ’s teaching about calling no man “leader”, because we are all brothers with one teacher in heaven (Matthew 23:8). I believe this is referred to as the “Malcolm Wrest heresy” and became the basis for expelling Dave’s own son.
Dave likes to use the difficult teachings of Jesus to condemn the church and to keep members feeling inadequate, but he certainly does not like individual discussion on the subject if it might lead people away from his control.
When individual JC’s discussed Christ’s teaching on “giving to those who ask” (on the Learning to Love thread) and of one member feeling convicted because a woman he was preaching to went to the aid of an elderly woman who had fallen, while he did nothing, Dave dismissed the homeless as unworthy, and the actions of the woman as insignificant as he urged the troops to focus their attention on the more important job of distributing his books and sending money to support programs he’s instituted in Kenya.
Most of what Jesus taught was directed against institutional thinking, and when the outsider “Samaritan” pointed out that Jesus emphasised the significance of observing “little things” like welcoming strangers/children, showing empathy toward the unworthy, and responding to the unscheduled interruption, he was ridiculed and challenged to prove his righteousness.
Dave like most of the “empire builders” he condemns seems more interested in the Teachings of Jesus as a platform from which to rule and as a club he can use against others rather than a standard, which humbles us all.
"See, what we do teach is that SINCERITY (i.e. "walking in all the light that you have") is the key to salvation.”
As long as that “sincerity” results in people recognising the authority of Dave and observing his instruction on every “little thing” (like correctly spelling “a lot”). Dave just dismisses anyone who doesn’t as walking away from the light, as he has with his own daughter and family who continue to observe the JC ideal of “living by faith” and “working for love”, but who Dave has estranged and labelled as "enemies posing as friends".
“…I wish you would stop calling it "my community". There is a group called Jesus Christians. They do not belong to me. They are under no obligation to believe me, follow me, obey me, or agree with me.”
I recall an email from Dave posted on the RR forum in which he declared himself as starting a new community that required each JC to apply to join, where he spelt out his executive role and which was elaborated in articles in which he described himself as the “anointed apostle”, “Captain of the Ship” etc, with executive power to rule with the "rod of correction" etc.
Dave can project himself as egalitarian and offer all kinds of liberties to try and lure people into his circle of control, but then when someone does disagree with ANYTHING they are routinely bullied into submission. The whole reaction against Tofferer for politely stating that he was taking some time out to reconsider some differences is just a taste of what one can expect in the doublespeak domain of Dave.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2008 05:05PM by apostate.