Franky is terribly concerned that she is being made out to be a racist on the JC board, and she's asked me to post a collection of emails that she has recently received from Al Moody. Franky apologizes and says that she is IT ignorant for th most part and would have trouble with the cutting and pasting, so I did it. Here it is, and this definitely substantiates the fact that it was Al who sent the offending messages in an effort to make us look bad..

I hate to get involved with this "drama queen", soap opera stuff and wish that I'd never complained about the racist emails. Here it is:

From: A M <xxxxxxxxxxx77@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:51:08 +0000
Subject: RE: Hometruths!
To: uj a <xxxxxxxxxxxxxil.com>


Dave is now blaming Glenn.

I already said I did it and admitted to Dave that I take full
responsibility for it.

The fact that now your being blamed doesnt surprise me. Its just Dave
causing trouble. Glenn has been banned as well. I cant seem to get
back on anymore so dont know if I am officially banned or not.

The great thing about being a JC is that you can blame everybody and
get away with it.
Sorry you got dragged into that one Frankie but I have already told
those nutters that I did it, but he believes I was acting on somebody
elses behalf to try and make him look like a fool. To be honest a
friend who I was living with did it, probably hoping I wouldn't give
all my money away to them, thinking I would get banned and have
nothing more to do with them.

Kisses Sorry

Al

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From: A M >
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:04:56 +0000
Subject: RE:
To: uj a <franxxxxxail.com>


No why would I tell people that I gave my password to you? That doesnt
make sense. Even if I did say that, it would quite obviously be a lie.
I am wondering about our friendship if you believe that :(

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:25:06 +0000> From xxxxxxxxxxxxxl.com> To: @hotmail.com> Subject: Re:> > Al- you never gave me your password- did you tell people that you did?> Anyway- I still love ya!xx It does make me wonder about our friendship> though. Are the JC's trying to break us up?> > On 13/11/2007, uj a <f:> > Who is boops?> > On the flames section- I think under Craig's thread- I can't remember> > what it's called- anyway- Ross was sounding off at Apostate-> > and I said " well, can't you guys make- up etc, also that I thought> > Ross was being really negative- and I had said that you had told me> > that you thought you could convince Ross to leave the JC's- and that> > he was unhappy. That's the gist- not the exact words. Anyway- it> > wasn't supposed to get you into any trouble, I just wanted Ross to> > know that people cared about him. You can read Elyas's reply to me-> > that YOU told everyone that you had given me your password.> > Did you set me up? Or is Elyas just lying.> > If you did set me up- I forgive you. I don't like being branded a> > racist though.xx> >> > On 12/11/2007, A M <milk
m> wrote:> > >> > > Hey Frankie,> > >> > > Can you tell me the full story? What is Elyas saying? Glenn recently had a> > > spat with him and now that Glenn has changed sides, attention seems to be> > > focused on evening scores.> > >> > > This is so embaressing lol I was on this site and Boops friend privated> > me,> > > but I didnt know it was his friend until he told me later. U dont even> > wanna> > > know what I said to him lol> > >> > > Would you be interested in reading some of my work that I have been doing> > > with the JWs? You've probably heard most the stuff anyway as you seem to> > > know quite a bit, but i guess for me I am just learning.> > >> > > Private sent me a whole bunch of stuff from W.A, would of cost at least> > > 50-60 bucks. hate stuff about the JW's. Will read it of course, despite> > the> > > JWs protests lol> > > _______________________________

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From: A M <hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:10:08 +0000
Subject: RE:
To: uj a <fl.com>


By you saying it wasnt meant to get me into trouble that probably
means you did mean that. Elyas is a liar. As Dave had asked me
privately in an Email. I did say that Glenn knew my password and that
I did not send that racist stuff to Brian. Which I didnt, a concerned
friend knew by posting that rubbish to Brian, that I would be banned.

Honestly it sounds like the JCs are causing trouble between people.
Obviously Daves target at the moment is Brian and you, as I guess by
getting back you guyz it makes up for the embarressment on the Kyle
show. I already told Dave I took full repsonsibility for it and I was
to blame, so I really dont know how you can be blamed for something I
admitted to.

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From: A M <mi>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:42:33 +0000
Subject: RE:
To: uj a <fral.com>


ok here it is lol I didnt send those messages of black racial jokes to
Brian but I do take responsibility and blame for them.

A friend, well if you call him that, believed I was getting way to
into the JCs and was worried that I was about to join, so they sent
black jokes from my account. yes my account password was 12345678 not
very smart of me lol However it sort of worked I think but lately i
havent been interested in that forum theres too much negativity
there.. oh my password is changed now lol Dont you ever use it again
LOL kidding..... So there saying you sent the jokes, and your the
racist... I see why y our upset. Sorry. Now I understand. Can you
please tell the forum the true story if you like or please tell them
that it was my fault and I sent them, as I dont want you to be blamed
as a racist.

I cant get onto the JC forum but I can read it.

Sorry that there blaming you :( Sorry now I understand.... To me the
JC represent bullshit so I dont take a lot of their stuff too serious.

You would go crazy if you tried to sort out all of David's wild accusations. At least he's gone quiet about his idea that I'm Private Eyes.......

How does it happen? Does he really think that because he has an idea enter his head, that it's God speaking to him?

This article used to be at their website, but it's gone now...hmm...what a coincidence. I cut and pasted it here, and here it is. A clear window into a cult leader's grandiose delusion.


"Divine Authority
More needs to be said about the actual gift of leadership. I have tried all my life to convince myself that anyone can be a leader; but no amount of effort on my part has been able to get some people to see past following whoever happens to be shouting the loudest at the time, regardless of whether they are right or wrong in what they are shouting. We can't put all the blame onto bad leaders if people are silly enough to follow them unthinkingly; but then, if the issues are complex and the bad leader is clever with words, I'm not so sure that we can put all the blame on the followers either.
The ability to lead is a gift, that can be used for good or evil. But you need to learn how to choose good leaders over bad ones.
I can't help but feel that if I had better access to some people, I could get them to follow me in preference to their churchy leaders. And I feel that if I could them to follow me, I could eventually get them to follow Jesus. BUT MAYBE NOT. Maybe some people are just attracted to rebellious leaders, and it was just a matter of time before they would find one to follow. At any rate, it is important to realise that, merely being a gifted leader does not guarantee that a person will not abuse that gift.
There is something else that I'll call divine authority, which is something quite apart from gifted leadership. Every leader will claim some kind of authority, which seems to be almost synonymous with being a leader. But DIVINE authority is different, and it can only come from God.
It is something like the difference between pride and confidence. People often confuse them, but one is the counterfeit of the other. A confident person has the respect of others; but is actually humble enough to accept criticism. A proud person tries to demand that people respect him or her, and a proud person hides from criticism.
Rebel leaders are like this. They hide from criticism and teach their subjects not to criticise them. But having such power does not say anything about whether they have God's authority to be leading. In fact, as a general rule, the worst leaders are usually the ones whose so-called authority needs to be most protected from ciriticism. And the best leaders are the ones who are most tolerant of criticism.
I have always tolerated a great deal of criticism, even criticism from rebels, ex-members, and outright enemies. But don't forget that I am the captain of this ship. I know where we are going, because I am getting my orders from God. I don't have to preach long sermons on it or abuse people in order to make it clear. Nor do I need to hide from confrontations with critics. For the most part, my record will speak for itself, both in showing my authority from God and in showing my ability to take criticism. But the bottom line is that I am here because God has given me a job to do, and I must do it. I'm not here to promote myself in opposition to someone else. I'm here to get God's work done.
I would like to think that each one of you could leave this community and start another community all over again, as Cherry and I did from scratch; but unless you did so under clear direction from God, you would almost certainly be led astray if you tried, just as has happened with others who have left our community. The problem is not that they lacked ability, but only that they lacked authority from God to do such a thing. "Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that do it." And being clever with words and having a stack of my teachings won't amount to anything if you aren't being led by God. For the time being, God has put me here to lead you, and you are not free to just declare yourself to be the leader and automatically expect God to honour your decree.
I rebelled against the "covering" doctrine in the churches, because they were saying that, right or wrong, people have to follow church leadership. No way! If the leaders are wrong, you must not follow them; but if they are right, it's a different story. If you rebel against a "right" leader, you rebel against God, and he will lift his anointing and protection from you. The reason you would fail would not be because I'm so special, but just that any kingdom divided against itself will not stand. God is not stupid. If he has appointed me to lead this work, then he will expect others [in this movement] to work in submission to me.
He may have other leaders out there (whom we haven't met yet) who also have his authority; but he is not going to anoint two leaders in opposition to one another. Even completely separate ministries must be willing to submit to one another in love.
God has at this time and in this corner of the world, anointed me as his apostle. As long as I am doing my job right, he is not going to anoint someone else to rebel against me. If I get away from God, then I will lose my anointing and God will give authority to someone else to take my place. But beware! Just because you get a chance to start a rebellion, doesn't mean that you have authority nor that I have lost mine; and if I catch you rebelling, I will wield the rod of correction in obedience to God, since it is really God that you are rebelling against when you do that.
For many years in the churches, I listened to sermons from desperate men trying to keep their troops together. They preached submission to themselves in sermon after sermon, week after week. Because of that I more or less vowed not to preach such sermons in my community, and I urged followers to think for themselves and not to be afraid to question me. But over and over the very people I have taught this to have turned on me when they got out of the spirit, and argued that I was power hungry and cruel, just as they have argued with God.
All that was bad in all those preachers has come out through the lips of those who have rebelled against my leadership. They have become obsessed with protecting themselves from criticism, and refusing to talk to anyone who criticises them. Now I see that, in over-reacting to a false teaching, I had missed an element of truth in it as well. People are given a choice between leaders who welcome criticism and ones who outlaw it, and they end up attacking the ones who tolerate criticism, because they know we will be tolerant of their outbursts.
I now see that, in an effort to do what is right myself (i.e. to accept criticism), I failed to teach respect for divine authority. So gutless followers who are too frightened to stand up to really dictatorial leaders, will turn on the gracious one because they know that he will take it. And if he doesn't, then they'll quote his own teachings back to him in an effort to get him to justify their actions. It is time to put an end to this misconception. Just because I am willing to listen to criticism (and my critics are not) does not mean that the critics are right. In fact, most of them are eternally wrong.
What I am saying does not exempt you from a need to develop a strong conscience and personal accountability before God. These things are especially important in the event that I do go off the rails. But I am ruling out everyone running off with their own opinions and saying that they have as much right as me to say what is right. The plain truth is that you don't. You don't all have the "divine authority" which God has, at least for the present, given to me, to lead this movement.
What I am saying here also does not make me infallible, nor does it exempt me from criticism, as I've already said above. But it does say that if you are going to take a grievance against me, you had better be sure before you start that you are right, or you may be dealt with harshly for taking a false or frivolous grievance. We need to put an end to all those vexatious litigations that I used to almost encourage, in order to make it clear that I wasn't trying to railroad people on issues.
I have authority from God, to lead this movement back to obedience to Jesus, and back to living by faith, in preparation for the return of Christ. There is a difference between divine authority and the political manoeuvrings of those who seek power for selfish purposes. The political empire builders are like blithering idiots when confronted with someone who is sincerely looking for the truth. And when they're not spreading hatred against me personally, they are running in fear that they will have to answer for something that they have said. The truth is that they are running from God, to whom they will have to answer for their actions, no matter how much they run from me.
I want to especially thank those of you who had the courage to act on authority from God in confronting rebellion even when I was guilty of trying to be soft on it (in order to make myself look like a "nice guy"). Confronting rebellion of your own initiative is the kind of action that makes you true leaders. Mind you, it doesn't guarantee that you too might not be lifted up with pride one day; and that's why God has put me over you for the time being. But it does show that you have a certain amount of divine authority already, which will just simply make way for itself if you continue to sincerely and humbly follow God."

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Article ends.

Yep, here is the link. Here is what DM says for himself.

DM lives entirely in his own world.

[jesuschristians.net]



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2007 03:40PM by zeuszor.

That is an astounding piece of writing. The man is the only vessel of God. And none of us saw it. All we can do now is cease our dispute with him, obey God's will and hearken to the one true voice.

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How does it happen? Does he really think that because he has an idea enter his head, that it's God speaking to him?

Thank you Zeuszor, for answering my question with your posting of the "Divine Authority" piece.

My question to the Australian Quakers now is, should intolerance be tolerated? At what point do those who love and tolerate diversity, respect and recognition of the religious needs of others decide that they can no longer commune with one who preaches the opposite - i.e. unbending loyalty to the one who claims to be the "One True Leader"?

As I assume that you continue to read these pages David, I suggest that you urgently realign your self-perceptions with reality.....While I have often thought that the quickest way to bring you to a stop was a simple prison sentence (Wilful fraud, Reckless endangerment, Blackmail, what have you...), it may actually be possible to have you committed to an Institution....

I see that I may have possibly misjudged you David....perhaps you are not simply the vain, selfish and cruel, but "sane" man, that I have always imagined.....but rather, you are actually certifiably demented!

....however "certification" might just be the "win-win" option both sides to this debate are looking for....

.....the worlds' youth will be finally protected and you can better live out your delusions of grandeur, in relative comfort, for the rest of your years...


(As two white coated figures escort an elderly man out his holding cell, we overhear the following:

Now then noble Apostle, let me take this royal strait jacket off you for a minute, ....there....there you are....Good Apostle, that's a good Apostle, ....now let me help you briefly leave your regally fully padded "throne room"....Yes God will have to somehow handle his Affairs of State without you for a moment..... and with the "guard of honour" lets make our way to the Lordly Banquet hall, where your servants have prepared the Sovereign, his monarchial gruel...oh...and I have the Regents' favourite straw already prepared this time.......)

What we don't know, and David does know:

He does know what we are going to see when the Kyle program is on youtube. I wonder how he is preparing his followers for what they will see? So far I see a cut-and-run, with all the bannings and bunkering down.....not good.

Zion's Daughter "So I considered these things and note your detractors are persecuting Jesus too. Though indirectly, through you."

Dear Zion's Daughter (great name!)

No, we are not persecuting Jesus. We want to stop a narcissist from destroying more young lives and Jesus' name! Don't assume that an attack upon David is an attack upon Jesus. David is not Jesus. That is the point.

Kind blessings to you and yours.

Thanks for posting that documentary on the COG's Zeusor. A great education for anyone wishing to see the parallels between the JC's and the COG. The power that Dave has gotten within his little group has clearly corrupted him just as it did David Berg. I tend to believe that both of them had a sincere desire to serve God at the beginning but that their urge to power ended up consuming them. They produced authoritarian structures around themselves that increasingly fed a growing delusion that they alone had the best hotline to God and ended up identifying their narcissistic selves with a god in their own image. Cut off from the usual checks and balances their ego grew like a cancer. Humility and compromise withered away and only the false god of their own whims and feelings remained.