Some excerpts from an article Dave recently wrote about the Quakers, and this is after they specifically asked him not to. Keep it up Dave. A fine example of how to win friends and influence people. :lol:
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cust.idl.net.au] (accessed 23.09.07)
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Our faith in the teachings of Jesus, and our attempts to obey the
teachings of Jesus are, in themselves, virtually grounds for
condemning us as teaching "salvation by works"; and that is the most
commonly expressed reason for rejecting us. Of course it helps if
they can pretend that we are a sex cult, or that members are being
physically and/or psychologically abused, and so they invariably try
to imply this, although they are always at a bit of a loss with
regard to evidence.
Faith in the teachings of Jesus?? I guess if he thinks whipping people, justifying shooting them when the right circumstances roll around, or that "he who has two should give to he who has none" refers to body parts then he would be right. But seeing that these things are not in the teachings of Jesus then I can understand Quaker complaints.
No evidence of abuse?? I am sure there are people on this thread that would differ with this opinion.
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The fact that our spiritual journey has led us to be pacifists, to teach a kind of universalism based on people walking in all the light they have, and to regard sincerity/integrity and love as the two most important Christian virtues, has put us very strongly into the Quaker camp.
This one is so laughable, I had to post this previous one :lol:
[i:571c56aa43]Pain seems to be the most humane and speedy form of human punishment. We could whip them strongly, without doing any damage to their teeth, brain, or spine. And it would all be over in just a few minutes
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SOURCE: [
cust.idl.net.au] (accessed 29 Dec. 2006)
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Now, all of that seems to have changed, largely as a result of
a serious campaign by certain non-Quakers to cause division, but, as
is becoming more and more evident, because of serious reservations
that some often weighty Friends have had about us almost since Cherry
and I first joined the Society of Friends eight years ago.
Of course it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they have seen straight his claims of pacifism. Na... that wouldn't be it :wink:
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Cherry recently shared with me that she sees our continued attendance like the sit-ins that used to take place in buses and in lunch
counters in the Southern States of the U.S. during the 1960s. They
were confrontational, and they tended to aggravate the problems that
existed between Whites and African-Americans. But they achieved
results, and thus are considered, with hindsight, to have been a
significant step forward in terms of moral development in those states. It seems that what we are doing may be in line with those demonstrations
:lol: :roll: Comparing the Quakers disagreeing with them with the US civil rights movement is a bit delusional. Remember we are talking about the actions of the JC's in whipping people, Dave claiming to be a leader in some Christian army, and promoting organ harvesting by use of biblical mandates.
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Some people have argued that there is no provision in modern
(Australian) Quaker process for kicking someone out of the
organisation on the basis of their beliefs, and others have said
that, even if there is, the official Quaker stance (and I think this
includes all branches of Quakerism over its entire 350 year history)
would never be to block someone from continuing to attend meetings.
If this is the case, and if we do not leave willingly, then either
Friends are going to have to circumvent past tradition in one way or
another, or learn to co-exist with ourselves.
Here is an example of Dave being unreasonable in refusing to leave when told he is unwelcome. He would like to upset the Quakers so much that they call the police or something, and then he can trot off home satisfied in the belief that they are not following Jesus. Of course Dave would never do such things to remove people from his midst, or ever take any legal action to get what he wants. What a bully. He tells them that they are either going to have do something to kick him out or learn to live with him and his erroneous teachings. Somehow I cannot see Dave allowing someone to say such a thing to him.
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But hopefully if we do not give in, it will eventually need to be dealt with officially, and when that happens, Friends will be given the opportunity to move forward in keeping with the great ideals of quakerism. It could actually be an historic moment for Australian Quakerism.
"[b:571c56aa43]historic[/b:571c56aa43] moment for Australian Quakerism" :roll: Sheesh!!
Give us a break. If someone disgarees with Dave it is comparable to the US civil rights movement and as such is a historic moment in Australia. I think that if the Quakers were to read Dave's article they would be further convinced of how delusional the man becomes when anyone disagrees with him.
He tries to convince all his followers that they are somehow part of historic changes on the world stage. Concerning stuff.