Anticult wrote: QuoteWhat's wonderful is that Janaki does not appear to know what "hypnosis" is, but her description could be in a textbook! Put it this way, if you are getting "tunnel vision", and things are moving in "slow motion"...that's a clue! Another way this can feel is that one's peripheral vision is narrowing and that one's visio
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one other thing before it slips away.. Janaki has a wonderful detailed recollection of how her conversion to Byron Katie happened. What's wonderful is that Janaki does not appear to know what "hypnosis" is, but her description could be in a textbook! Put it this way, if you are getting "tunnel vision", and things are moving in "slow motion"...that's a clu
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Hi friends. A little refresher course, courtesy of this lovely NLP blog. Anticult will probably find far more treasures there than I can detect. We can probably assume this description is given of a context in which ME's model is being used by a therapist and client, and the client KNOWS he or she is working with a hypnotherapist. This is a client--not an uninformed target. Or..d
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Jay-C: excellent research, that is exactly what people need to see. Facts and evidence, and clear thinking. Its unbelievable people have "donated" so much money to the The Work Foundation of Byron Katie, and yet have been given ZERO information about it. They do not post their 990 non-profit forms, they do not list their board directors, NOTHING. Why? They have to make that infor
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I have been studying the Ken Keyes document a bit, the one that Janaki links to on her weblog. This is the last page of the document and it is interesting. In her comment Janaki calls this a ‘description of someone who has done the work’. I actually think it is a description of BK, that is to say, a description of how BK wants others to see her. Janaki writes in her story that she noticed a chang
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Regarding Jay Cruises info..this is very jolly interesting. Recall that Janaki reported formerly having been involved with Muk and claims a friend of hers involved with Muk later told her about BK. Given the number of former Siddha YogaGurumayi--successor of Muktananda/SYDA yoga (Muktananda) devotees who apparently have gone on to become involved with BK..and seem to have referred one anot
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Anticult wrote: QuoteBut one will never really escape from that kind of trap, without really connecting to one's own powerful emotional boundaries. and QuoteBeing blunt is very important, that is why personally I am blunt. Gentle flowery words can't work against a cultic structure. Repeat-- Gentle flowery words can't work against a cultic structure. Gentle flowery
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I think a large part of the problem, is sometimes people into the "spiritual" thing, can be far "too nice" and far to gentle with this difficult material. For example, in REAL cognitive therapy, its not just about logic(information), and its not about being only "loving" and "spiritual". Its about having real emotions, and there are many Emotive techniq
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Chapter 33 of Janaki's blog: The End of Suffering ‘The end of suffering’ brings me to my own personal loyalty conflict that I have been experiencing towards Katie for several years. I would hold back when addressing this, because I didn’t want to contradict her publicly. I find it highly misleading to promise people ‘The End of Suffering’. It is a sublime marketing phrase. As I am
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QuoteThe AnticultBut if a person is involved in a thought reform systems for 15-30 years, you don't come out of it in a few months. It must be very confusing to not know one's thinking has been patterned by another. Its probably easier to jump from one thought-reform system, to another one. Undoing years of false beliefs, and twisted thoughts that have been programmed in...wow... Yeah
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That is deep Byron Katie mental patterning, and mental programming language. Like when people get into the BK thought-reform system, they start to sound like her in language..mimicking the same phrases that she uses? This one could have been written by BK herself... QUOTE: "it is only about expressing something that used to be afraid to express itself. It is no longer afraid, that is
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Quotehelpme2timesIt looks like Janaki has removed the comments. I wonder why? Well, Janaki has posted this cryptic comment about disabling comments to her Byron Katie story: "I have decided to stop posting the comments, and I would like to thank everyone who took the time to respond. I receive many comments, and they either make me seem right or they make me seem wrong. The point of this
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That is another Byron Katie "checkmate". That is a good point from the Janaki blog...that BK uses the term Checkmate. (in chess, that means there is no escape, you're trapped, Game Over). Of course, the way to figure this stuff out is through objective research, and fact checking. Last time I checked, someone who has been shown to lie their freaking ass off countless times, is
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yes, regardling Tony Parsons. A quick search before seemed to have him come up with some Ramtha cult stuff, but that does not appear to be the case. One would have to look into him, very very carefully. What is a "residential"? Sounds like a live-in LGAT seminar? That would have to be analyzed. People should be very cautious with this non-dual stuff, in my view. For example, for
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QuotecorboyAnyone visiting Janaki's blog, read the articles--and do take care to read the comments. At least one person has written expressing tremendous concern for a loved one. Janaki has written of people making severe and serious sacrifices of time and money, includng one man who who pulled together many thousands of dollars to attend a BK workshop just to be with her, not knowing sh
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Byron Katie wants to "make an example" of Janaki, by banishing her from BKland. Transcendental Meditation (TM) did the exact same thing to Deepak Chopra, as Deepak started to get too popular and there is only room for one Maharishi Guru in TMland. So they kicked Deepak out, and deleted every word about him in the TM literature. Its all factual, anyone can look it up. There is only
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QuotePilotThank you hm2t, I am learning a lot here. With the internet, these gurus can't hide and get away with stuff anymore, it's great. The first time I saw ex-SYDA blogs I reacted like my friend did about BK, it's not about her, it's the practice, you don't get it. Hearing a story from an insider that details exactly the process of indoctrination on such a scale h
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Quotehelpme2timesI second that apology. I feel deeply appreciative that Pilot has contributed some incredibly helpful information. Who knows how many people will be helped by it. Especially those who have "worked" for Byron Katie, as Janaki did, and got deeply burned. Thank you so much, Pilot. QuotecorboyPilot, I owe you an apology. I let myself get rattled, after the troll visits
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QuotecorboyPilot, I owe you an apology. I let myself get rattled, after the troll visits weve had. Thank you Corboy, I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I came in here without the benefit of research and have been schooled, the Janaki blog sure opened my eyes. I hope to hear more from people like her in the future, I told my friend about the blog-you know the one who does the work-he real
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Exploring Janaki's Katie story & blog further, I see that she is strongly influenced by Tony Parsons, another non-dualism teacher. She quotes a large portion of 'The Open Secret' written by him and also links to his website of the same name. Tony Parsons presents himself as one of the 'non-guru' gurus that we've discussed before on the thread. Non-threatening,
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Again, my hearty thanks to Pilot. Anyone visiting Janaki's blog, read the articles--and do take care to read the comments. At least one person has written expressing tremendous concern for a loved one. Janaki has written of people making severe and serious sacrifices of time and money, includng one man who who pulled together many thousands of dollars to attend a BK workshop just to b
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I second that apology. I feel deeply appreciative that Pilot has contributed some incredibly helpful information. Who knows how many people will be helped by it. Especially those who have "worked" for Byron Katie, as Janaki did, and got deeply burned. Thank you so much, Pilot. QuotecorboyPilot, I owe you an apology. I let myself get rattled, after the troll visits weve had. You
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Pilot, I owe you an apology. I let myself get rattled, after the troll visits weve had. Your directing us to Janaki's blog has been a huge, huge, help. This is the saddest thing about troll attacks. It leads us (certainly me) to get nervous and then hit out at friends. This says a very great deal: QuotePerfect & Untouchable Katie says, ‘I am here for your projection’,
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It seems Janaki is updating her blog and rewriting bits, a new post "notes from Janaki" admits as much. I wish she would go ahead and spill the beans thoroughly. She's already getting hit with followers telling her she hasn't done enough "work". meh, if anybody has done it to death it's her, sounds like, she started her own modified version of it with the corp
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So much of what Stephen Mitchell says does not add up. For example, in the email quote below, he denies that Byron Katie studied Ken Keyes material in the Halfway-House. How does he know? Was Stephen Mitchell there in 1986? Was he also hiding under Byron Katies bed in 1986? (she says she slept on the floor anyway, with no bed...Stephen Mitchell doesn't even seem to remember that part of
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hey, can I made a suggestion? No question, this thread has attracted "trolls" from BKland at times, and this is irritating, and its also disturbing for people trying to deal with this stuff. Its not easy. Look at that new blog by Janaki, she was in the Katie rabbit hole for over a decade, and even now is only starting to come out of it, partly! She still seems to frame her realit
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Thanks to Pilot for finding and linking to Janaki's Byron Katie Story. It was a fascinating read. Here's a couple of quick links to Ken Keyes info. for those who don't have time to go looking for it: Ken Keyes Wiki Info Ken Keyes Science of Happiness The links are just for reference and a general overview! ... Be careful with the Wiki stuff as always - it doesn't
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sadly, BK would have seen Janaki slipping away for some time, and has done major damage control. Not one link comes up with the word Janaki on the BK public forums. BK will just blame her, of course. That's probably why they left that other Janaki webpage up. Janaki has not yet truly realized what was done to her, and how it was done. She is still proving to herself that Byron Katie is
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QuoteThe AnticultThe Byron Katie webpage for Janaki is not on the main page of Byron Katie facilitators, only on a seperate page. They could have put her webpage back up to try and damage Janaki. She said they removed her from the main-page, which is accurate. Payback is a bitch, and it goes both ways. Blowback is also a bitch. Clearly, Janaki has only presented a small amount of what sh
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The Byron Katie webpage for Janaki is not on the main page of Byron Katie facilitators, only on a seperate page. They could have put her webpage back up to try and damage Janaki. She said they removed her from the main-page, which is accurate. Payback is a bitch, and it goes both ways. Blowback is also a bitch. Clearly, Janaki has only presented a small amount of what she could say, afte
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