"""Janaki in her very informative blog has touched upon this possibility - see "Downsides of The Work""". Most of what Janaki notices and points out makes sense to me, but then again, this is how humans are when they get in organizations with eachother. But the actual method, the one detailed in Loving What Is, seems like simple common sense. So, that people
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Kassy, if you believe that Byron Katie's "work" is "about questioning thinking", then I'm sure you won't mind if any of us here question your thinking... You say: But the tantrum, the outrage that the British should not kill people is useless, because they are. To say that a tantrum is useless is an interesting thought, but one I take issue with. I thi
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Kassy, if you believe that Byron Katie's "work" is "about questioning thinking", then I'm sure you won't mind if any of us here question your thinking... You say: But the tantrum, the outrage that the British should not kill people is useless, because they are. To say that a tantrum is useless is an interesting thought, but one I take issue with. I thi
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Here is a little more information about Stever Robbins methods, as the advanced persuasion techniques he teaches and uses explain some of the same techniques being used by Byron Katie. Its important, as even though Byron Katie does all sorts of different techniques, many of the techniques she does, overlap with the NLP persuasion methods. Please take a moment to carefully read the technical e
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this thread has flamed up a number of times, as its dealing with very very COMPLEX situations, which are highly emotional, and its easy to miscommunicate with plain-text when people are rushed. There is nothing simple about what is going on here. There are very skilled people who are literally playing with how large groups of people represent "reality" in their minds. Steve Saler
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QuoteMeadowOne of the forums on the Institute for The Work is called "Byron Katie's topic of the month". This particular forum is just one of the ways they use at BKI to portray Katie as an enlightened being or a saint. Here she posts questions for her followers to answer. The Question of the month for April was: QuoteI have always known you, do you know me? Please answer this ques
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One of the forums on the Institute for The Work is called "Byron Katie's topic of the month". This particular forum is just one of the ways they use at BKI to portray Katie as an enlightened being or a saint. Here she posts questions for her followers to answer. The Question of the month for April was: QuoteI have always known you, do you know me? Please answer this question. I c
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QuoteChrista To expand on a concept The Anticult presented months ago, like a worm on a fishing line, the "Work" is bait. Its true purpose is not love, kindness, or personal growth. It exists to lure people into turning their minds and their money over to Katie and Stephen Mitchell. Like any bait, it doesn't always work, and most fish get away. That most fish escape does not
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Quotesolea13Helpme - I just read that blog you linked to above (Kabbalistic Marriage). The whole thing actually seems to be a pretty good example of all the things these 'turnarounds' do to people as has been described on this thread. The writer describes the intense & painful thought process she went through when the man she felt 'so married to' suddenly stops comunica
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The Byron Katie Thought Police internal-snitching stemming from the new Byron Katie policy, needs clarification. In groups like the Byron Katie group, at a certain point, they forbid members INSIDE the group from criticizing the Leader in ANY way. That has just happened. Now people inside the Byron Katie group start to watch for members who might criticize the Guru, and then snitch to the G
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QuoteThe AnticultThe Byron Katie internal Thought Police snitch-line is now open for business. The "Open Forum" at The Institute For The Work site continues to be closed. Janaki's information remains online. When my brother was a detective, he occasionally worked with informants. Sometimes they were a big pain in the ass, but it was worth working with them because they ofte
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Regarding the 9 day school, there is a participants report on this other venue. It runs to six pages, as of today and many attempts were made to disrupt the discussion, including the kind of ad hominem attacks that are against the rules of use on RR.com. The person wrote in detail. And began by saying QuoteJust completed Byron Katie's 9 Day School (March '09). I am disappoin
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QuoteyasminHm. Well so far the Anticult has not charged for us to go to a seminar to get his/her wisdom, (s)he has not promised to help alleviate suffering, and (s)he hasn't required me to give him/her my most valued possession to show how well I'm doing ... jgf 75 suggested that "when participants walk into an intense workshop, of any sort there's a certain degree to whi
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The Anticult as performance artist--? This person communicates just using typed out text. Performance artists do it live. BK's stuff fits the performance artist label very much more accurately than what The Anticult is doing, which is merely via typing. Also, The Anticult doesnt have a trade marked method that is being touted all over as ane equivalent to Buddhism (not true) nor
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QuoteThe AnticultThis is about the posts being made by jgf75 on the guruphiliac forum. jgf75 is just playing word-games with the Ericksonian Hypnotherapy ideas. jgf75 says he is calling these people involved and ASKING them what they are doing! LOL! please, call Stephen Mitchell, Stever Robbins, and Byron Katie and ask them "what they are doing". Anticult, there is another post by
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This is about the posts being made by jgf75 on the guruphiliac forum. jgf75 is just playing word-games with the Ericksonian Hypnotherapy ideas. jgf75 says he is calling these people involved and ASKING them what they are doing! LOL! please, call Stephen Mitchell, Stever Robbins, and Byron Katie and ask them "what they are doing". Man oh man. People try to act so innocent about p
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Its looks like Seung Sahn and Muktananda were just trying to "diss" eachother and give the other guy a "kick" in an infantile game of one-upmanship. (typical of gurus, who are the supreme narcissists) Its pretty obvious that Seung Sahn was afraid that Muk would make him look like an ignorant, uneducated peasant, so Seung Sahn just says a bunch of nonsense to try and deflect.
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Hi Pilot, and thanks again for turning up that Janaki blog! Sadly, people ARE "buying it". A number of people here have spoken about the problem with someone like Steven Sashen leading them into involvement with Byron Katie's "work". Thankfully, Steven seems to be divorcing himself from Byron Katie completely. (It is my firm opinion that is a good thing.) Also than
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(repost) manipulative tactics from Stephen Mitchell in email QUOTE: "Dear Janaki, I thought you’d get a kick out of this. Love, Stephen"
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Janaki to Stephen Mitchell: "I responded with, Stephen, I wonder why you thought I would get a kick out of reading your story with Byron Katie and seeing the promotion of your new book. I thought it was weird and perverted that you sent me that email." Yay Janaki!
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by the way, there is a member of the BK inner circle, who sends out emails, posts blogs, and gets personally involved in many aspects of the Byron Katie internet PR machine. His name is Stephen Mitchell. He was even caught posting self PR on his own Wikipedia site. He may have even posted on this forum as a internet sock-puppet in the early days...some clues there involving the Epistemolo
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regarding Steven Sashen..the info was taken down in the last few days, as its still in the cache.(below) What happened? maybe he was UNvoluntarily told by BKI to take down his advertisements about selling his own Byron Katie coachings and gatherings? Maybe some "certified" BKI facilitator reported him to the BK mothership, as he was scooping clients in Colorado, with his bi-weekly
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The Scott Kiloby video was laughable! All that intense gazing and babbling about nothing. I doubled over when when he lifted up that can of soda and took a big slug and then went right back into his babbling! Interestingly he and Janaki and Charlie Hayes all share Tony Parsons as a guru.
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(Just as a side note:) AC: It looks like the 'fuck yoga' guy is still in business on the Net. If I had $35.00 to spend on a t-shirt it would be a lot of fun to buy and wear that around. It would be one way to make a stand and I would rather enjoy the look of horror on my friend's faces - especially those still involved with my old group. QUOTE FROM CORBOY’S NOTES ON ROSENMAN
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Corboy the article about Rosenman's study is amazing. You can see this behavior in Byron Katie stories even prior to the halfway house awakening. Her children were put in the mothering role and, while it becomes clear they were facing some serious issues themselves, Katie's mental problems took total precedence. Her daughter for example claims she found it necessary to carry a knife for
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It is normal to appreciate a technique from which one has benefitted. But, IMO, people dont just seem to appreciate The Work for its purported benefits. They seem protective of The Work, even when they express concerns about BK. Being appreciative is not the same as being protective. If you were capable of benefitting from The Work--you might have had the same benefits or perhaps even
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Assaultive Projective Identification and the Plundering of the Victim's Identity (Okay, has this caught everyone's attention? Good. It is the title of an article from a medical journal. Peer reviewed. Adult world. Printed on paper. No one can make it disappear by flushing it down the cyberspace toilet.) Jay, thank you for that. You put something complex into a nutshell Blame th
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QuotecorboyAmen. People have commented on Janaki's site, thanking her for her information, as it gave them information they needed to decide for themselves not to go to 'School'. Given the reports of secrecy, people need to understand that they are doing a community service to speak up, and speak out. And yes, on the internet, if others think your material is valuable, they w
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QuoteI'm sorry if "A" feels uncomfortable about his/her posts getting around. But pehaps he/she can try and understand why I felt the need to publish what I perceive to be crucial information about Byron Katie. Especially when there are so many deeply vulnerable people "decompensating" in her school. Amen. People have commented on Janaki's site, thanking her fo
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I understand that "A" from Guruphiliac is feeling uncomfortable with his/her posts appearing here. Yes, I can understand him/her feeling uncomfortable about expressing oneself about this stuff. However, "A" is an adult posting in a public forum. Does he/she not know how the internet works? Doesn't he/she want the information about Byron Katie to reach as many peop
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