Corboy said : "Cockroach Lady gets to have all the power. She gets to change the rules when she feels like it. She can phone her lawyers whenever she wants to do so, and when she calls her lawyer, its all about loooove. A former student of BK's concenred about having been captured on video in a moment of humiliation, who were to phone a lawyer to get advice, would be acting viol
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The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a Poem that Reads as a Terrifying Curse It was written by a poet, Coleridge, from early 19th century, a period where other authors pioneered the genere of horror fiction. During this same period Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein, Beckford wrote Vathek, and a bit earlier, Horace Walpole, had written The Castle of Otronto. Byron wrote early versions of stories of
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That clearly is someone close to BKI, who is trying to do another head-game on Janaki, using his knowledge of her, to try to induce shame and guilt, to get the blog taken down. Who would use a literary reference from the 1700's, of the Ancient Mariner? Take a wild guess. And the username of that person is "Makepeace" BK used the ironic term "peace" many times i
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QuoteThe Anticult: There is another Janaki blog update...where there is text where Byron Katie is endorsing Janaki. I looked up the endorsement, and found an interesting comment: QuoteJanaki, I don’t know what you are attempting to prove by publishing this. The only thing you have proven is that she changed her mind about you. Are you enjoying yourself, or merely prolonging your own pain
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Corboy said: "To Janaki: Just wait. Sooner or later the inevitable guru apologist (s) will arrive and claim that its only our own craving minds that cause all the trouble." I have heard worse rationalizations, this is the one Advaita 'teacher' Ramesh Balsekar used to explain his touching up (perhaps worse) of female students. The guru in the story is apparently pedoph
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American Tantric Dissimulation--Hiding the Actual Source of Influence From the RR.com message board, I would like to add a further comment to Chapter 43 on Janaki's blog--Am I Whacky? To Janaki: Just wait. Sooner or later the inevitable guru apologist (s) will arrive and claim that its only our own craving minds that cause all the trouble. No, friend. The problem is not our crav
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I used to really be into studying the 'Work' and ironically it/she helped me overcome some of my own issues with authority figures and cults. I used to think she was one of the few 'good ones' out there and gave the benefit of the doubt about the tuition fee for the school. Reading this board and Janaki's story, what really broke the camel's back for was the woman
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Of all people, Marie Antoinette, in the midst of the horrors of the French Revolution reputedly said, 'It is when we suffer that we come to know who we are.' And Aeschylus said, 'Pathei Mathos'--some translate this as 'From suffering, learning'. I would say, 'By recognizing and then steadily bearing the awareness of adversity, we grow wise.' (from As
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Quotehelpme2times Latest Twitter from Byron Katie: "We suffer only until we realize that we can’t know anything." REPLY: That is completely false statment. Ignorance is the cause of most suffering. The statement "we can't know anything" is completely false and is deliberately nonsensical. Its also one of her silly paradoxes, like the liar paradox. She is makin
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QuoteThe AnticultShe can even Twitter it from her cellphone anywhere in the world 24/7. One negative Twitter from BK about a Facilitator, and that facilitator is toast. That's power). Latest Twitter from Byron Katie: "We suffer only until we realize that we can’t know anything."
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There is another Janaki blog update...where there is text where Byron Katie is endorsing Janaki. That is how they do it. When you are working for them 24/7 for no pay, then they Love-Bomb you, and call you an angel, tell you that they "love you" and say..."You are The Work in Europe". Then later, when you are getting tired of working 24/7 for no pay like a New Age sw
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There appears to be a new update to the Janaki blog? There is a transcript posted of a recent teleconference with Byron Katie? If you want to read the words of a skilled master manipulator, read that transcript. Notice how Byron Katie does not sound so "crazy" when she is trying to send a message internally? She is very clear, no confusion tactics this time. But notice how By
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"Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community" QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckli
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QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckling will follow any moving object. pick-up in action A couple more
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'Janaki's conversion to Byron Katie, hypnosis' Something that struck me, reading about Stephen Mitchell and his being dazzled by BK's sparkly eyes on the first meeting--where have we heard that before?--- and later something I read on BK's blog when she was talking about her cancer. "Anyway, my husband and my sons cannot be upset, my daughter cannot be upset,
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There is more new excellent information in the thread about "The Game" "Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community". That is a thread to watch. They are doing the exact same techniques as described in this thread, only using a slightly different context. But its not that different, as its all about "seduction" and manipulation. There are very speci
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QuoteChrista ..I just can't bring myself to believe this sort of nasty manipulation is really going on. The guy in the clip was dorky and unattractive, and if a strange man plopped himself down that close to me while I was out with a girlfriend I'd like to think my defenses would shoot right up to high alert, but I honestly don't know. IOW, this is not a guy I would automatica
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Instead of Mind Control Call it Monopolizing Attention and Information Channels? If we refer to 'Mind Control' people panic, get angry and see it as a suggestion that they are too weak to withstand it. THen they can be easily flattered by persons insinuating they are strong and can become stronger by listening to the con artist and ignorign those of us offering warnings. Instead,
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Hypothetical Scenario Which is Just My Opinion and For Which I Have No Proof (Product of having read too many spy novels) And...in the case of certain organizations, what better way for a desperate member to demonstrate loyalty to The Cause than to make an utter nuisance of themselves by trolling on RR.com? *It fills the RR.com channel with noise and disinformation. *It gives the tr
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Yes, all of the main posters and readers here believe in freedom of speech, of course. That is what it is all about, REAL freedom of mind. And it appears everyone would also agree that the public has the right to have all the facts on the table, from all sides of the issues, so as an adult they can carefully make up their own minds, and make good decisions. but at the same time, if a few trol
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Quoteskepticalrepublican But if she were a cult, in the abusive, manipulative, violent sense, like Jim Jones and Aum that is another matter entirely. Would you guys say that is an accurate assessment, like Byron Katie is a potentially dangerous terrorist? Well skepticalrepublican, cults and high-demand groups come in many different flavors. It's not about whether Byron Katie is a 'p
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"How can anyone take anything you are saying seriously, when you SAY you have not attended a BK seminar, and you SAY you have not even read all of her books? Is that credible? Of course not. All of a sudden, you have a read a 200 page thread, and Janaki's blog, and then misrepresent the amount of MANY first hand complaints about Byron Katie. And then this person magically seems to
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The Byron Katie system can be complicated in certain areas, but in essense it is very simple. It terms of the LGAT seminar business, and "Facilitation" for-profit, and products sales... Its just a large private business. What is the primary cost of any business? LABOR. Its those dang employees, with their salaries, OT, benefits, health insurance. So what if some clever people,
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anatta: How can anyone take anything you are saying seriously, when you SAY you have not attended a BK seminar, and you SAY you have not even read all of her books? Is that credible? Of course not. All of a sudden, you have a read a 200 page thread, and Janaki's blog, and then misrepresent the amount of MANY first hand complaints about Byron Katie. And then this person magically seem
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The Anticult Before I dive into our areas of disagreement, let me offer a few points of concession. 1) There are a lot of sleazy gurus out there, and Byron Katie might be one of them. I don't think she is, but I can't say for sure. I agree that it's important to try and expose manipulative practices when we see them. However, I also think we need to be careful and responsible
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anatta: Obviously, its up to the moderator of this forum to decide what is appropriate to post or not post. But the internet and blogs, are full of all sorts of promotion, advertising, marketing, and shilling for Byron Katie. There is nothing new in any of that for anyone reading a thread like this, which is not about advertising for a large for-profit private seminar company, but about cri
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Some more goodies from Solvejg on Janakis blog: Quote“Since this apparently is an alias” you write. You like to thow doubt about the integrity of others it seems. I am amazed that Byron Katie put up with you for so long. I am a woman and Solvejg is a Norwegian name given to me by my parents. I am born in Copenhagen, Denmark in 1944 and now settled in Bangalore India for the last four years. I
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Notice the outrageous and absurd level of hypocrisy here. Solvejg posts here telling people to "leave the rest", and ignore the parts they don't like. While simultaneously posting a couple dozen rants against Janaki's experience and balanced viewpoint. Why didn't Solvejg just "leave the rest" of what Janaki wrote? Sorry, but this is the kind of blatant d
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Wow, check out the latest on Janaki's blog: Byron Katie & Janaki An excerpt from the intro page: QuoteCurrently I am working on a second edited version, and as soon as it is done I will make this blog available as a downloadable pdf for easier printing and reading. So far over 30.000 times a page in this blog has been read. I don’t get reactions very often, but when I do, t
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What Janaki described being done to her in the BK organization fits the profile of witch hunting very much more closely. BK now has access to Twitter. She can do a continual IV drip to keep her 'Tweeties' attentive. Rick Ross and Anticult dont have Twitter. If you dislike what is written here, you dont even have to log on and read it. All RR.com is is just ONE, repeat O
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