The Real Secret QuoteWow! I'm so glad I came here. I was active with Landmark Education...as a program leader and participant for close to 4 years. I recently terminated my participation after having been subjected to some very negative, abusive experiences in "coaching" sessions with senior program leaders "committed" to me having a breakthrough in being "
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If people want the inside dope on what is really done in LEC, run a search for all the posts by Guy, who was a former employee and Forum Leader It really didnt matter whose philosphies Erhard used. What mattered was the nuts and bolts 'tech' (technology) of social manipulation Erhard had learned from Scientology and Mind Dynamics. These were the active ingredients. The stuff from
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For readers who are interested in the Werner Erhard 'tech' utilized by Muktananda and his successors in SY, you can read here exactly how it was done. Guy was heavily involved and had it on his conscience what he had done to people. gc4062 was one of our correspondants Manipulating the room set up..a key ingredient of how these large group formats operate. L
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Guy wrote:." This is a new form of cult using the methodolgy of cult procedures, while seeking to avoid the segregating nature of religion... Having the variety of differing church members participating and voicing support is supposed to give the perception that LEC is exempt from cultic properties. Matter of fact LEC wants you to go back to your church and bring in your pastor and the f
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From Guy 'FL' stands for Forum Leader Quote"I got so focused on doing the work that my career suffered... to the point that I eventually the only option open to me was to go on staff..." Read that again... "I got so focused on doing the work that my career suffered... to the point that I eventually the only option open to me was to go on staff..."
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Hi friends. If you want a great way to study troll behavior on this thread go here: 'Manipulating the Room Environment' (PS if we ever have to change programs, you will at a future date easily find this topic by typing 'kopp' into the search slot and (all dates) into the dates slot. Or do it by an author search for 'gc4062' As you read through this ni
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Quotegc4062Socrates, to pick up on something you mentioned in another thread... yes, for some reason, the MTV generation has become intellectually lazy. But I'm part of the original MTV generation. I remember the summer when MTV started and watching it religiously. I think it's far more than just MTV. Generation X is the first generation whose parents were introduced to est. If I
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Quotegc4062While I never led the forum itself (Guy is your resident expert on that topic), I led a number of other programs that follow it, as well as training introduction leaders, and other program leaders. As a sort of unwritten code amongst former staff and program leaders, we never discuss the actual techniques used to mess with your head, as it could easily be picked up and used by other
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how long did you lead the forum, gc4062?
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Quotewarytraveller2 I understand this is true for you. And for others a diifferent opinion is rendered. Ana323 and dpa10 had overall positive experiences. Mine with Est was positive as well. But I didn't go as deeply into as dpa10, gc4062 or yourself. "True for you": phrases like that strike me as a way to deflect criticism or maybe it strikes me as bad word usage. Will also
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I wrote in a previous post responding to the harm Landmark caused Alexis: I understand this is true for you. And for others a diifferent opinion is rendered. Ana323 and dpa10 had overall positive experiences. Mine with Est was positive as well. But I didn't go as deeply into as dpa10, gc4062 or yourself. I was forewarned by my girlfriend to not get involved . It was obvious after a couple
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In the last post Alexis wrote: "I tried to find the good, but I have to admit that any good I thought I found was just me lying to myself. It was really hard to admit that all that time was wasted, but it really weas. dpa10 probably doesn't mean to be a cult apologist. I know it seems incredibly absolute to say no good came from it, but it took me 9 months of therapy plus years of se
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Quotegc4062Valerie, There is no substance in that discussion. It is all jargonistic nonsense used to break down mental barriers that opens you up to programming. To quote another author, there is no cheese at the end of that tunnel. Darn! (But thanks for telling me.) --Valerie
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gc4062 wrote: Now, can we please leave the vitriol and personality slams at the door and return to the conversation. Let us do our best to keep this a racket-free zone. Attack the logic, not the person I agree. I'm sure you're also referring to the people who are calling me Landmark apologists, est-hole and telling me to fuck off too. You are the first one that has come
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There were so many stories related to how the environment of the room in where you did your course is manipulated and controlled, let's have a discussion here where we can collect all of the experiences.
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Quotegc4062 Val, Sounds like your friend is caught up in the typical delusional state after the forum. The advanced course is TWICE the price of the forum... depending on the area where you live, it is up to or exceeding QuoteOriginally posted by gc4062 Val, Sounds like your friend is caught up in the typical delusional state after the forum. The advanced course is TWICE the price of th
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Erg! What a consolation prize for giving up a year of your life to Landmark! -val Quotegc4062 Val, Depends on the region, as tuitions vary by region/country. In the centers I visited, typically reviewers paid either half price, or just the deposit amount. Former employees, if they spent at least one year on staff can participate for free for the balance of their lives.
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Wow! OK- if I ever go back to a Forum Tues. night revival meeting, I'll take a good look around and look for the white engraved nametags. Question- when people 'review' a course, do they have to pay again, or is it a 'free for life' deal? -Val Quotegc4062 Val, The gold or yellow nametags with a brown stripe are volunteers (assistants, in landmark jargon) Pl
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gc4062, Would this be Larry P., black male, mid 40's? Any background you can give me would be great. My bros in love with Larry and his story: "grew up in the projects, now look at me, I'm a Landmark Leader!" This would all be quite funny if people's realities weren't at stake.
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Quotegc4062 nyc, you have noted the circular language, which is typical of the average forum fanatic. It's like your typical politician, no matter what country or party, who can talk for days about something, and actually say nothing. Was it Orwell who introduced the concept of doublespeak? sort of yes, sort of not. Orwell coined the phrase newspeak , the updated form of language us
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gc4062 Thanks for the reply. Good advice. I was thinking of using this tactic. I just hope he is prepared to respect my wishes! Thanks again.
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My friend said that the climax of the AC was standing up and proclaiming what she wanted (I'm sure there's a term for it that I'm not remembering). She said her desire was for "community." Thanks for all the info. -Valerie Quotegc4062 Community is hammered into your head with about the same force as dropping a 10 ton weight from 12 stories up at first in the
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thanks gc4062! i re-edited my post because it wasn't clear that my friend "M" is not my roommate who's editing the article on Landmark. (Stay Free! is an independent magazine which tracks ads / media influence.) -sigh- val
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QuoteOriginally posted by corboy this site exists as an archive, a salon, and above all, a sanctuary for persons who have had painful experiences with LGATs and who feel they have been harmed, or that one of their loved ones has been harmed. Agreed. Quote Calling people names is not helpful, and does nothing to remedy the problem. It only makes new visitors feel unwelcome, and we dont wan
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Thanks, GC4062! Interestingly, Rick’s database does not have a separate entry or link for PSI, although search of his website contains number of documents that do mention PSI. It has been around for a while, since the 70‘s. Here is the info I was able to find regarding PSI: Personal experiences: One reference regarding PSI and generally a great article regarding LGAT: PSI webpa
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Following the thread on online recruitment and the conversation regarding language, got this in the mail and wanted to pass this along. It's something else to watch out for. The postcard reads as follows: We are proud to introduce Landmark Education's newest seminar, hailed by many as one of our most powerful seminar (sic) ever! Living Passionately: The Art and Mastery of Pla
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This is another psychological technique of manipulation. Karen Horney talked about "The Tyranny Of The Shoulds" and about the negative effects of having an Idealized Self-Image, and overidealized SHOULDS and MUSTS about other people. That creates enormous dysfunction in relationships, and within the Self. Its perfect for Landmark, (and Tony Robbins, etc) to use this technique, as t
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rrmoderator: Consistent pattern noted. I give up. gc4062: When my loved one attended his weekend, there was a guy in the parking lot with a can asking for donations from the other particpants to pay for his courses. They were also selling mixed CD's to raise funds for course attendance. When one spouse of a particpant pointed out there might be royalty issues to consider in this ac
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I don't want to get sued, thx. ;) Guthy-Renker buys the air-time for the infomercials. Guthy-Renker "made" Robbins, and turned him into a household name. (he has had lawsuits with them as well). Guthy, of Guthy-Renker described what Tony sells as GREED and VANITY. That sums it up. As far as 60 Minutes, Robbins has been "reported" to them. Who knows, maybe one
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There were a few others on Robbins site. MookieGuy was one, although he believed Tony was doing good work, yet being aware of some of his techniques. There were about 5 main posters on the Robbins board, and all of their posts were deleted, and now all are censored, so that's why there are no posts there! If you want to research Robbins stuff, you can order any of his programs from multi
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