It has been a long time since I last posted in here. It almost makes me laugh to think how abuse can turn the mind of a person into such a lunatic state. I say laugh, because abusers are not worth being taken so seriously. There were times I almost envied the life of people in the cult who had it easy and were not used and abused. Missed the safety of the group and the few so called decent friend
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I have had some time to reflect upon the dynamics of abuse. Spiritual abuse is a much deeper wound than material. And ultimately abuse is meant to bring us down to the lower self. You start harboring all kinds of feelings within and at one point you will even become an abuser yourself. After I left this forum, I tried my best to find a way to delete all my posts here. Because when I posted h
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All these posts were written under a very fragile, irrational mental state. I have experienced more trauma and loss than most humans can stand in a lifetime. Anger and revenge kept me alive in the past years. SOI has destroyed my life but I take ownership of my actions and loss of control of my mind. SOI had too much power over me and it kept me prisoner for 22 years. No amount of posts can
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This is the greatest realization about butler. How great to be narcissist who pretends to be an empath savior. He never talks about himself. Therefore he cannot be seen as a narcissist. He speaks of krishna alone. Krishna who wants all attention on him. As a guru noone can wound his narcissism because you are not allowed to criticize him. Absolute narcissistic heaven. Worshipping the narci
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When you isolate for a while, the slightest human contact you have throws you off. Like even online, where people think because they cannot see you, they can trash you like garbage. You realize how mcuh happier and more sane life can be without contact versus contact. All that SoI does, it makes you immune to the abuse and nasty interactions between devotees. By forcing you to suppress ego
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Listen. Many of us were forced to take abuse for years and not take it personally in the cult. Do not assume that there is no heart or feelings behind the screen. Let us keep it civil. You do not need to remind me of my faults or my mebtal state. I am aware of it more than some strangers and working hatd to correct the issues. Now please contiune sharing your knowledge. Iskcon is your depar
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You see. Nothing matters to the devotee but to transfer to vaikuntha. This escapism spirit and the obsession with liberation gives them the courage to stand torture. The rewards are greater than the pain. This is why noone should feel bad for them. It is a choice and a gamble. Maybe there is a vaikuntha at the end of the road. We will never know because we have not accepted the torture.
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Yes stick to the rotten pedophiles of the rotten Iskcon isntitution. The forum is yours maestro.
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Butler is an agent of destruction. He destroys your health, your spiritual life, your life, your finances, your self esteem, your mind. Some are sent to use and abuse others. And he runs a program that he himself cannot grasp. The hare krishnas are too intoxicated by the false sense of being god chosen ones. They are too blinded to see that their loving guru us actually their ennemy. He i
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As long as you keep your blunt opinions to yourself, I don’t care what you talk about. Just know that this was the absolute last time you ever take the liberty to attack me perosonally. This is all I have to say. And the last time I say it.
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Noone should be allowed to attack anybody personally. Suggest they need therapy, tell them to leave the forum… This is only a right that Rick has. This forum is not meant for dictatorship. This has to be hammered in the head of all those who post here. Be it Isckon or SoI members as well as hybrids. I have no fear of getting banned the same way I had no fear of being shunned and lesave my
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Do not forget that mental illness and narcissism is only a prviledge given to the Acrayas of the Hare Krishna movement and offshoots. They are the only ones who can act as they wish and have their feet kissed and washed. The rest of us lowly souls must watch very carefully what we say and how we act. Or else the devotee police will soon knock on your door. Make sure they shame and ban you fo
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According to mr Iskcon hare krishna expert this is what I do on this forum. Truth wins, I have to be blunt with you now: I really wish you would not ramble all over this thread the way you ramble all over the Butler thread. I've been watching you do that for a long time, and I wish you would not do that here. The blunt truth is I do not give one single damn. After years of wal
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And I do not need to be an ex Iskcon member to see what a horrible insitution it is. My comment is not so off. Devotees can very well stand for injustices. I will let you educate everybody on Isckon. I had no intention of rambling. Do not worry. I am sick of arguing with total strangers on the bet anyway. To hell with Krishna consciousness. Have a wonderful week.
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Nice to see you again whirliwind under a different user name. Please do not play alpha dog with me. I am not really in the mood for that stuff. Let Rick decide to chastize the members. I am giving you a very gentle warning. Get off my back.
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“In a religious cult, the leader is perceived as a deity who is always divinely right, and the devotee, always on the verge of being sinfully wrong, comes to live for the sole purpose of pleasing and avoiding displeasing the guru/god. The leader's displeasure comes to mean for the member that he is unworthy, monstrously defective, and, therefore, dispensable. The member has been conditione
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The problem is that so called devotees are to bust bowing down and blissing out in order to battle the demons within the institutions. Because the greatest demons are they gurus who sit on the chair. They are too blind to see and THY SHALL NOT JUDGE other devotees or commit offenses. Thy shall never question guru even if he is an abuser. Dsicernment is not encouraged snd peoole live in fear
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You know. I have seen behind the veil of illusion. It is not for the faint at heart. Your whole world gets shattered. Including the sweet flowery words of any scriptures. I can assure you that this reality goes 10000000 times deeper than what the vedas tell us. It is not just because it has fallen into the hands of some surfer dudes who are unqualified. Even the Narayana Maharaja more adva
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The goverment puts you in jail if you don’t pay taxes and obey. The gods put you in a reincarceration jail if you do not worship, love and accept your eternal slavery (servitude is more appealing). Who is butler? An amazing tax collector for the gods. A tyrant who keeps you in your place as a slave. He makes you love your slavery and pushes you to offer your soul on a golden platter. Do you
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I had a very important realization. You spend yeara shedding the scars of abuse. All the times you stayed silent and let others destroy and walk all over you. Then you go from doormat to fury. You can no longer handle criticism. You no longer tolerate the slightest callousness. You no longer trust. You remember all the time noone stood up for you or you were afarid to stand up for others.
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This is an old song Slave to love And I can't escape I'm a slave to love This is exactly devotees suffer from. Slave to love. Afraid to lose that love and security. Even though when you are in it, you will kill and die for that transcendental bliss, it is slavery. When you are fine sitting with the most horrible emotions, this is where you find freedom. In the devotee comm
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It is hard to believe that some divine authorities truly care about those who love and worship them. SoI is a fear and pain factory. And this is surely very desirable. But one better shut up and not get too esoteric or else ghe bullets will fly. It is unimaginable that this man is sees as a pure medium of god. What god would allow this shit and fraud to go on? It is only 5000 years ago that
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Life is not that complex. SoI is like a toilet that smells decent because of spray. The good smelling spray is the lies, the mantras, the semi advanced teachings of the vedas, the good food, friendships, some laughter, the bliss… However when you take all the positives away it stinks like hell. The ones who are in that toilet are content. Our job is to try and help other souls not to fall f
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This message is for Ian and Run Forest run. I know I have been very up and down. Going from forgiveness to rage and vice versa. I no longer suffer from guilt or the Jesus symdrome. I am in this battle and will do my best to help those who are afraid to leave or have left. You and Rama have inpsired me to stay strong. I am no longer doubting that this is a noble cause. I know 100 percent t
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The fact that we were not even phased by the parasite cleanses, end of time pandemic scenarios, hearing disciples get crushed by him in lectures, accepting he married his disciple’s wife, the multiple vaccines to be around him, if you get a tattoo who must stay a way a few years from him…, tells me I was also mental. I have met a few people who ran away much faster. How is is it that we were fi
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My experiences with Krishna Consc have been very similar to the Adjustment Bureau based on Dick’s short story. Unfortunatley I must say my version is more fringe and harsher. Ultimately one must be “groomed” from birth in the porcess to even consider stepping in the role of Acarya. When an ex atheist white man takes the wheel in his late 20’s, this is what you get. The people who also became
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Obviously killing the masculanity of the devotees and turning them into mops that clean the floor, has not served a purpose. Maybe they will go to heaven but while they are here they must bow down to a tyrant like cowards. The issue with krishna consc is that they take the spiritual warfare too lightly. They think it is all sweet little maya, krishna’s sister. Oh am attracted to movies. It
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Butler treats devotees same way a pimp treats prostitutes. Not only you work for free and make money for him, he also has the right to slap and punish you. Masochism is a very severe disorder. Prostitutes get really attached to their pimps. They would sell their parents to stay with the pimp. The pimp kicks you and next day gives you a diamond. This is butler’s method. After he makes you c
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butler is an absolute Mk ultra genius that makes the goverments look like clowns. Teh cabal that clueless puppet tulsi speaks of all the time, needs to get trained by this parasitic guru. He has convinced his slaves that he is doing them a favor by using and abusing them. If you are hired to work for free 80 hours a week, it is a blessing sent by god. And whn your body falls apart, it is your
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There is nothing more pathetic than begging for love and bliss. When you accept to fall flat on your face in front of guru and deities, you may as wel also put beg on the streets. We embrace our slavery and then complain why we are treated like slaves. “The faithful are FEARLESS knwong Krishna is in control”. Yes sure buddy! They are still afaraid of a virus after 3 years beacuae they have b
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