QuoteFurther, I hereby knowingly and voluntarily release MKP, its officers, directors, employees, agents and staff from any liability for any physical or other injury that I may suffer as a result of MKP engagement of such services and/or personnel on my behalf._______(initial) I'm sure its worded differently in the USA, but this is how they legally get away with it here in the UK. It is w
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Got to agree with you, RU?ing, on the "dissertation". Even after skimming it briefly I could sense the pro MKP slant. The psychiatric profession often seems to promote, intentionally or otherwise, pschiatric programs run by untrained, unlicensed, unqualified non-professionals. Just look at the way they ship people off to AA, NA, and other 12-step programs without any hesitation. (And
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Then I found this on the same "Boys to Men" website, on a page offering information about "mentoring": QuoteIt is amazing how innocent and tender these young men are. They are eager for this kind of attention and admiration from older men. I'm not kidding. It's right there on the web. What's up with that? Just a bad press-writer, or was it intentional? Be
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QuotefeldsparThis link is way too much to read, but you can read the intro a get a pretty good sense of the dissertation. Well, for a dissertation its appalling. Bad references and terrible use of quotes.... anyway.. I've rushed through it and it is very pro-MKP. Easy when it doesn't analise the techniques used, the language used. Doesn't offer a con to any arguement put forwa
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This is from the "Boys to men" site's information for parents. Sounds very safe, very reasonable, doesn't it? Quote"The specific processes used at rites of passage are kept confidential. That is so younger members of the community do not receive the adult information before they are ready, because rites of passage are considered sacred and personal and should not be tr
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This was just starting up when I left MKP and really know little about it, but for the group, in light of what we read in the news today, would any sane parent send their kids to this?
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QuoteRU?ingI've done a few checks in the UK, but nothing. I'm starting in Australia next and then the US. Will let you know if I find anything. They have been quite quiet, quite deliberately I think. well that's the thing, they are proud of the fact that there is only positive accounts, which made me all the more suspicious it took a fair bit of work to fond anyting to the con
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Ru?ing: Cross-continental confusion; I like that one! Yeah, here at the epicenter of the enlightenment-for-sale industry, some of us have taken an oath to never pay for something that can be gotten for free, in fact, can only be gotten for free, when you think about it. This (the MKP) is an amazingly active little topic, though, and seems to evoke strong emotions for many, especially tho
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QuoteBearSongjust a final note to let you all know that i'm choosing to take your criticisms seriously. That is very good of you to let us know. In all seriousness. QuoteBearSongsome of your judgements, especially the few presented without all the rage, have provoked some re-evaluation for me, I question your perception of rage here. And if there is, then that is a good reason to re
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QuotebonnieRU?ing: Please, you couldn't possibly have taken me seriously. I mean, I was being pretty heavy-handed with the sarcasm. You didn't take me seriously too?! I was being sarcastic! Cross-continental confusion?! x We're (almost) as postmodern as you the states! Everyday I'm making myself a better person, by talking to myself, my family (especially my mother!)
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This link is way too much to read, but you can read the intro a get a pretty good sense of the dissertation. [72.14.203.104] sorry but I don't know how to hyperlink so you'll have to paste the link to follow it
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RU?ing: Please, you couldn't possibly have taken me seriously. I mean, I was being pretty heavy-handed with the sarcasm. I'm on the side of the cult-busters. I've been tricked with my own desire to be a "better person", too. Just for the record, I think the information you have been posting is some of the most fascinating stuff I've read here. The poor g
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QuotebonnieWell, see here. in the US of A, we believe in freedom and liberty and all of those wonderful things. Hmmmmm - I'll leave politics aside for now - I'll just say that maybe it's a language thing ;o) QuotebonnieThat's why it's considered declasse (in some circles), to criticize the behavior of groups like these. And I/we have the liberty to criticise! Qu
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This document dates from 1993. I began collecting responses to the document in 1996. The document, to the best of recollection, was posted in 1995. You can also read a response to the declaration by Hyemeyohsts (Wolf) Storm posted on Yahoo Groups. There is also an article by Valerie Taliman on the declaration. There is also an subsequent message from Wilmer Mesteth posted on the Whispers in the W
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just a final note to let you all know that i'm choosing to take your criticisms seriously. some of your judgements, especially the few presented without all the rage, have provoked some re-evaluation for me, and as an active participant in mkp, i will be looking with a different eye at the processes. i don't have the sense that any of you are open to anything that resembles respectful d
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I found a website weeks ago. It was from the Lakota Indian Tribe. They were up in arms (no pun intended) over a men's new age group using their traditions. Matter of fact on this website, they DECLARED WAR on any group using their traditions for profit. Of course their "war" was to repudiate such men's new age group. Google Lakota Indians + men's new age group, or D
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Well, see here. in the US of A, we believe in freedom and liberty and all of those wonderful things. That's why it's considered declasse (in some circles), to criticize the behavior of groups like these. After all, they have the right to peddle any kind of BS they want to, and who are we, the consuming public, to say it's wrong? Let the buyer beware is the rule of thumb around h
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I'm wondering myself for the UK, but could any US, Canadian or Australian citizen explain who exactly in a government department decides this can go on in each country? Have they seen the 'Protocols' of this or any other LGAT?! Do they have to go on a weekend? You can hardly organise a protest in the street these days due to new laws in the UK, but these guys can brainwash peopl
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QuotebonnieLet's see; Could there be a contradiction here? You see Bonnie, you've gone to far - you've thought and destroyed the magic of MKP!
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Let's see; Could there be a contradiction here? Is MKP a "secret society", like the Masons, Grange, or Knights of Columbus? Is it a tax-exempt philanthropic organization, like Unicef? Or is it another LGAT? I have never heard of a tax-exempt social organization, or a "secret society", that advertises and charges Big Bucks for services. Besides, the pros seem
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QuoteStill. I'm looking forward to a proper conversation with a MKP'er. Please, can't someone from their PR department come and chat?! don't worry, someone else will be along. The next one will probably try to show understanding while trying to convince you that youre wrong. Probably will agree with many of your points. That will probably be followed by one accusing you
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Oh and I can quite figure out why a mkp man would be visiting the cult education form unless he was questioning this group himself. Then he is most likely using his warrior name to sign in. Another wanta be Indian??? As far as the religion thing goes, it doesn't matter what one you are. It the fact that you take a Indian religion and make it sneaky! Once again if you can't walk int
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As far as I know they dont have any right to use them, I am sure they just took them as their own? I have not come in contact of a native american man in this group yet, probably because he would have left at the first sound of those drums. I know I would have been embarrassed for them!
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Re-reading the thread I remembered how much I laughed when I read this post by what2do - I just have to salute you! Quotewhat2doYou tell me you do not judge, yet you have judge me to be a liar. I do not know you, but I do know my husband, and he did not lie. You were not there, how could you possibly know what went on. OOOOOH LOGIC!!!! Thanks! Quotewhat2doIf you are a therapist, you shoul
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QuoteseedjoeAn old Finnish saying. It's not the heat, but the time to respond, that is drivig me out of this room. Blessing to all- I hope you get what you are looking for out of all this, and in life. I've got to get on with mine. If declining further conversation means you win, then you win. congratualtions. I'm sure the posts after my departure will use my action and words as mo
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An old Finnish saying. It's not the heat, but the time to respond, that is drivig me out of this room. Blessing to all- I hope you get what you are looking for out of all this, and in life. I've got to get on with mine. If declining further conversation means you win, then you win. congratualtions. I'm sure the posts after my departure will use my action and words as more grist for
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QuoteseedjoeAn adult male human. No more ,no less. Questoin: Are there any men on this list that are expressing concerns? or is it just women? Is there any chance for real conversation? Or just angry screaming posts? I hae the same feeling on this site as i did on a white supremacy site i once tired to engage as a Jew. Lots of venoom and heat, little light. There are men here joe and the
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QuoteseedjoeThe Milwaukee Journal in 1986 wrote an article about the New Warrior training, with pictures. what you are going to give here 1 article from 20 years ago seed joe? Just goes to show you the secrecy and deception of this group! Look around Curious, You will find all the manuals for the training and I groups and guts manuls, some rosters some I group rosters, the minutes and gov
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QuotefeldsparQuoteInformed Consent for Psychotherapy: A Look at Therapists' Understanding, Opinions, and Practices Paul Croarking, D.O.; Jennifer Berg, M.D.; James Spira, Ph.D. p 384-400 Forensic experts agree that the doctrine of informed consent now applies to psychotherapy. Would you think that the facts that there will be sleep deprivation, low protein diet, and attempts to
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QuotefeldsparWould you think that the facts that there will be sleep deprivation, low protein diet, and attempts to induce altered states-drumming, rhythmic movement would be reasonable things to disclose to participants prior to their decision to attend. It would seem MKP could maintain their mystery and still allow people to make an informed decision by simply being a little more honest at the
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