I've heard nothing of this...but if it happened, clearly it was despicable behavior. The reason I speak fondly of John was he was one of the few in his position that seemed to give a damn when I was going through things that were clearly abusive. He reached out to help, rather than further isolate me. No, I've never viewed him as Ghandi...or idolized him as some did. I was just appreci
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Excellent post, FA. The fact that long time members of the fellowship, who have known Miller and witnessed his years of sacrifice, struggle and passion supporting "the cause", demonstrates how deeply brainwashed the fellowship is by Gary and Marilyn. Didn't Miller actually bring Gary into 'the Body' back in the early 70's? If so, that makes Gary's action even m
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He was totally courteous, showing respect for me > and my dad as well as giving part of his time in a > serving manner. It was like a breath of fresh air > and very strange to me since he seemed to operate > on a level of love, service and concern only. How bizarre that being a decent, caring human
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Welcome FA. This forum should provide a good outlet for you. Feel free to express yourself.
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FCSLC Wrote: > I was in a cult. It was hell having to > submit to idiots! I'm normally not into bumper stickers, but I think this would make a great one. Thanks FCSLC!
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How do we know what Stevens was > worth, by the way? Has anyone ever gotten their > hands on his tax returns, divorce records, will, > bank statements, etc? Anybody ever actually trace > where all that money for property came from, or > verified where his assets went after his divorce > and
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard Silas say something like this once "It is > the time for the end > of the independent life". It reminded me of a > line from Dr. Zhivago > "...the personal life is dead in Russia." I should have been alarmed by the introduction of Silas to the LA churches, with his role
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BTW, I'm liking some of the recent usernames (Ditch Digging Yasper, Lamp Shmamp). I suspect it is just a matter of time before Jesus Camp and Camp Lamp weigh in.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Time to celebrate ! 100 pages of free thought and > expression, for and against The Living Word. > Radio Free Shiloh ! Yes
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I'm still dumbfounded by the amount of anger and judgement that was ministered from the pulpit throughout my years in TLWF, and the accompanying insistence from the ministry that the congregant have a "right spirit" while being beaten. I always felt the proper order should have been: 1. the ministry stops abusing (disguised as discipline/teaching) the congregant 2. the congreg
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Every mentor I had in TLWF that I had a connection to, and a respect for, had the misfortune of possessing an empathetic streak. This quality inevitably isolated them from G & M.
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larry bobo Wrote: > Things are not just black > and white. There were also many good things that > many of us spent 20 or 30 years of our lives > supporting. But, there were also a lot of damaged > lives that were swept under the rug when they no > longer served the leader’s purposes. Very true.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Heck, I voted for Robert Kennedy and when I left > the CLW I didn't get a letter that the earth would > swallow me up. I GOT NOTHING! Yeah, I understand. When I left, I even put in a request for a letter of condemnation, and was ignored...just another nail to my cross.
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Ha--no Invisible, I was yelling at everyone else in capital letters. No worries.
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It's near impossible for me to separate the act of screaming vs. the content of what the person happens to be screaming about. The connection, I suspect, will remain in my consciousness through this life. Participating in literally thousands of church services where it was a rarity that someone or something was not being judged, almost all the hysteria based on illusory thinking...has crea
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He may have gotten lucky. So many other 'nephilim' that were judged survived and outlived him.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Paleface thanks for providing the Vain Glory video > link. My main criticism of the video is Tony's > comment that JRS directed ministers to have sex > with members of the congregation. I doubt it and > I don't know of any evidence to support it. Marriages would be arranged, and later (u
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Yes...and I may make the occasional visit to the "I will kill you unless you support your alcoholic shepherd" channel. Just for old time's sake.
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The Violent Intercession Channel on YouTube would have thousands upon thousands of subscribers, guaranteed.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was in that church????? Now I'm even MORE > embarrassed by my naivety. There was so much emphasis in the sermons about the enmity of the 'carnal' mind, with repeated warnings about not resorting to reasoning to find truth (scriptural references to the evil Pharisees questioning of Christ), t
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Yes, thanks Lily Rose...in process of reading it now. Nichols: "the Kingdom Age has its own revelation, recorded in the words of its prophet, John Robert Stevens. His word is the living word and is taped and transcribed whenever he speaks. His word reveals the hidden secrets in both the Old and New Testaments and without his revelation one cannot really understand the Scripture at all.
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Bob was estranged from the 'apostolic fathering ministries' prior to his passing--something he did not keep secret. I think it's highly doubtful he would want a 'love offering' taken in his memory go to the apostolic travel fund rather than to his family. But I suppose if I had been there I likely would have nodded in hypnotic agreement with most everyone else, thinking.
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I tend to place more emphasis on a person's character than what his/her talents or gifts happen to be. One of my earliest experiences in the walk, after dropping out from college...and living day to day trying to survive financially...was my employment with a congregant who owned/operated a paint business. We painted the exterior of a house John in the vicinity of Redlands. After completin
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * He knew a trade other than ministry. He wrote, > "Knowing I can always make > a living selling linoleum has saved me from a > multitude of sins." > > He knew he could earn a living in an occupation > that was based on physical work--and physical > results. He was not addicted to
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I read a biography of Lyndon Johnson recently (The Path to Power). According to the author (Robert Caro), no one was more effective in persuading someone on one-to-one basis & getting them on board with an agenda he had in mind, than Lyndon. The whole process started with Lyndon deciding to believe something, motivated by self-interest. Whether it was true or not, was irrelevant. Eventually
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If I ever start another band, I will give serious consideration to naming it 'Andre The Nephilim Hair Dresser.' Just has a certain ring to it. Thanks! lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Andre was the name of the San Fernando Valley > nephilim hair dresser that John exposed. Goes to > show that you can't trust the French
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The cult run by John, before the violent intercession to destroy the nephilim spirit channeled through his wife, was more tolerable to me than what followed...especially the tyranny of Gary and Marilyn's reign. Ahhh...the old days!
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If you really think your spouse is the devil, is it scriptural to pray for his/her death...enlisting others into the cause? I haven't been involved in any other church movement, but I suspect this practice is unusual.
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I saw Donna following that service. She was obviously distraught, but at the time I was not able to process how devastating this had to be to her. I had been trained in the no-sympathy mode for so long that I wasn't able, or perhaps willing, to make an empathetic connection. She was a good gal. Of course, I ended up being on the receiving end of similar treatment, so now I understand.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I think during my time in the Walk I learned to > emotionally shut down which stunted my emotional > intelligence later on in life. I recognized this > emotional shutting down in Invisible's post from a > few years ago about what Donna Hargrave must have > been going through during the
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